ok i tried out ewans method of the velcro pole cleaner, in princple it does work, but will not hold all the grit back, becouse it is impossible to make it to tight, but never the less it does work, but did need a little improving to make it more workable, especialy lowering the pole, and not having to retreive it all the time, i have videoed a big improvment, again kept simple, i will put the video up tonight