[Simon Gerrard]

Doug,
I'm not criticising. If you guy's have got something new and fresh, that's great, let's hear about it.
What I take issue at is Pete Sweeney claiming that training in this country is 'the toilet' when all he has done is look at the specs for the various courses and because he's planning his own courses decides that they are all 'the toilet' and because of that we are a laughing stock in the states. The truth of the matter is Pete Sweeney has never trained anyone. There isn't a single carpet cleaner out there that is using what he trained him to do, not one. So how the hell does that make him such an expert on the subject of training?

Carpet cleaning is about the practical application of a set of very basic principles, it's not rocket science.

Simon

[Simon@arenaclean]

I agree doug, but wool still smells when you burn it and polyprop still floats if we can't agree on that we're stuffed

[Simon Gerrard]

The problem here is that Doug is well into the finite science of carpet cleaning where the vast majority of us are not. Some years ago I did an advanced Accreditation course with Dr Eric Brown, who was the most eminent scientist in the field of carpet cleaning, the course was only open to people with a minimum of five years experience. I could tell you all about apparent soiling and real soiling and occlusion and macro-occlusion but knowing all that stuff doesn't make you a better carpet cleaner simply because carpet cleaning is about the application of some very basic principles and procedures. The best trainers are able to teach those basics in a simple and understandable format without clouding the issue with needless complexity.
Simon

[derek west]

got to agree with gerrardo,ahem  i mean mr gerrard, once you've been taught the basics, you don't need to know all that blox. unless you want to advance to fire and flood, hard floor etc... and there's quality training out there for that all ready i'm sure.
martin 606 has done a trauma course, sounded like he enjoyed that from his posts. ask him if it was toilet!

still struggling on a odour removal course though, run one of them and youve got your first customer.

derek

hiiiii hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Doug Holloway]

Simon.

I would no more talk about macro, micro, nano or any other type of occlusion

When a chemist and technical manager i was known for my pratical approach and I am not likely to start trying to teach electron orbital theory, mainly because I can't remember it

Cheers

Doug

[Simon Gerrard]

An association should put its customers first not its members. This simple ideology is where the NCCA have failed.

Erm, Pete,
I think you will find that an associations members are it's customers. And if that really is your stance then you will be starting the first trade association that doesn't put its members interests first, amazing!!!!
As the Director of Communications of this new outfit, I think you need to learn to communicate a little more effectively, or at the very least get your facts right.
As for the NCCA. Love them or loathe them, and I'm no great fan of them, but they have been around since 1968 and so have represented carpet cleaners in this country for forty one years, I don't think even you can call a record like that, a failure.

Simon

[Mike Osbourne]

Simon

You are communicating sour grapes.

Just because you couldn't make it work doesn't mean someone else can't either. And that may have been down to timing. Maybe now is the time!

 

[derek west]

Simon

You are communicating sour grapes.

Just because you couldn't make it work doesn't mean someone else can't either. And that may have been down to timing. Maybe now is the time!

 

unbelievable :

derek

[mark shannon]

Mikes been reading Machiavelli so is well versed in the art of war

[Mike Osbourne]

Sorry Derek but I would have no confidence in an organisation set up by you, if that's what you are getting at. That's nothing to do with you as an individual, just an understanding of what a monumental task it would be and who, if anybody or group could pull it off.

Mark

That's Tsun soo  :

[derek west]

mike
its not always the thorough bread that wins the race, maybe one day you'll have to / want to join T.A.C.C.A. and if i call the shots then guess what. i'd love to take your money from you, might even do you a discount so i can gloat

derek

[Mike Osbourne]

Derek, I can do humble.

[mark shannon]

Mike Machiavelli wrote his own Art of war could have a study or translation of Tsun soo.

[derek west]

Derek, I can do humble.

should i buy the ingredients and start making the pie now?

blueberry or meat and potato?

derek

[Gerry Styles]

been asked to clean to rooms they are both foam backed carpets. is there any thing i should be looking for when cleaning , she wants them just shampooing

Has anyone actually answered this guys question?

GR - email me and I will respond

[Simon Gerrard]

Mike,

Sour grapes??? I'll have you know that Glynn and I spent an awful lot of our time and no small amount of money developing Truck Mounters and even more time delving into the multitude of problems that arise when you think of putting together a new trade association, especially one where you are promising your members national contracts.
I have personally paid for the TMCCA website which will be launched soon and there will be no cost for the use of that site to TMCCA members. Glynn and I have both arranged and in part financed Sunny Day Out's in the past for the benefit of others and at no personal gain to ourselves.
So rather than stand there on the touch line and heckle the people with the balls to get up and do something, why don't you tell us what you've done for the carpet cleaning fraternity lately???..... I thought so -zilch!

Simon

[Mike Osbourne]

You have done an awful lot Simon I'm sure.

I'm just saying it sounds like sour grapes and throwing your toys out because you haven't been invited to the party. As for me I just say it as I see it. 

[derek west]

wasn't simon, ahem, mr gerrard invited to the party on my TACCA thread, i'm sure pete sweeney invited him in?

i'm guessing mikes the latest recruit,


derek

[Mike Osbourne]

OK last try.

I'm saying it sounds like, appears as if, comes across as.....

[Mike Osbourne]

Derek

I have not signed up to their organisation. I just think if you like that sort of thing it has the best chance of succeeding and being fruitful for the members.