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PaulineH

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« on: September 12, 2009, 09:21:36 am »
Hi there, just after a bit of advice really. I've been trading for a year now working on my own doing a mix of commercial and domestic, i am now at a level where i can't physically take any more work on,unless i take the next very obvious step of taking on staff. I know i need staff but i am slightly wary, not getting the right people or my clients not being happy someone else going in instead of me etc...
I was thinking of having staff work with me, this may stop my clients worrying about standards or other people holding their keys. Does anyone else do this?
Also in an employees contract do you have to state the exact number of hours your employing them for or can this be left open?
I know once i've taken one on i will be ok, and until i do i've got work piling up at my door....Any advice would be appreciated..Thanks Pauline 

suffolkclean

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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2009, 12:28:10 pm »
We did regular domestic cleaning I did it too to start off with - same as you then got to the stage we needed to employ. I worked with the new cleaner for a few visits until the cleaner knew what was needed & the customer was happy with the cleaner. This also gives you a chance to see how good the cleaner isctoo. Then the cleaner carried on - on her own. Then call the customer every 6 weeks or so to check they are happy with the service.

If you have regular hours for a cleaner put it in the contract you can say eg up to 10 hours per week. My cleaners are currently on a - as & when required basis. Look at www.businesslink.co.uk they have a great website with templates of contracts & lots of information on  employment.

Hope this helps
Barbara

mikemansuk

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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2009, 07:36:07 pm »
Hi Pauline, if you need anyone to help i am available and i do a great job. my number is 07912219808 and am in birmingham

Fox

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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2009, 08:29:41 am »
Hi Pauline

Where are you based?

nat1

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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2009, 10:38:00 am »
Hi Suffolk Clean, do you send 1 cleaner or 2 to a house? I've read on here before that most people send 2 cleaners out as 1 cleaner on their own might as well take the job on for themselves. Also the client would be inclined to poach the cleaner knowing they could get away with paying less direct to the cleaner rather then paying a company?


Just wondered what you do?

Many thanks Nat

vacman

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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2009, 11:01:07 am »
Nat i think it would be unwise to consider money to be the only reason why a client may attempt to take on a cleaner directly. What i have seen is that the clients would always prefer the same one person (or a pair at a push) do their work, so that they can get used to each other and build that rapport.

Although i have in the past lost staff to people who hired directly, i think this is more an issue for those who work for an agencey, esp. the self employed, where the customer also pays an hourly rate. When it is a cleaning service where all materials are provided and a set-price given for the work, it is harder for the customer to make a financial comparison between what they pay now and what they would pay the cleaner on their own. Added to which presumably a cleaning company would (should) have a list of work for all its staff, enough to keep them busy, so therefore giving the cleaners enough incentive to stay with the company, along with other benifits of being 'employed'.

But going back to the start, i dont think its all about costs as the clients always seem willing to pay for a good job. I know one lady who was taken on directly by a client because the client said she would rather pay the cleaner the money she was paying to the agency. The problem there was that the agency had provided her with a good, hard-working cleaner who never went sick, so therefore from the customer POV she couldnt see why she was paying the agency as she never had to trouble them with complaints or ask for a replacement cleaner.

PaulineH

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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2009, 04:41:11 pm »
Thanks for all the replies..I'm Gonna take the bull by the horns and hire staff, i may work with them to start with then see how this goes, if i don't do it now i can't take the business to the next level.....Watch this space

suffolkclean

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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2009, 05:53:08 pm »
Hi Pauline
I think its swings & roundabouts working in pairs or on their own. On their own they know whats been done, don't have to do more work if the other one is a bit slower, get the full hours to themself per house. In pairs I felt there would be more travelling about from one house to the next? Although if you have a large property 4/5 hrs per visit this is best to send 2 cleaners to.

I have created a clause now that the cleaners have to sign before they even step start work to say they will be prosecuted if they try to take on any of our customers.

You havn't said where your based -??
Barbara

vacman

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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2009, 08:47:27 pm »
Prosecuted?  :o

suffolkclean

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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2009, 07:20:23 am »
I think I mean fined!! whichever is the most sceary  ;) I've learned from this when a cleaner we had to dismiss visited all our customers offering her new cleaning service  >:(

Les

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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2009, 07:58:48 am »
My brief comment on taking on additional staff....

Unless you personally will earn good money from doing so....leave it as you will have issues one way or the other. if you know you're earning good money for taking the hassle fine, otherwise you will find you can soon get a bad reputation in your local area....and maybe start to lose business.

I don't think the benefits of running an additional couple of cleaners make enough difference financially to make it worthwhile.....
but I could be wrong !  :o

Les

Colin Stokes

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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2009, 01:28:02 pm »
Les - 1 or 2 (or even 3 or 4) are not going to make you considerably well off but surely you have to start somewhere on the road to getting 10 plus staff where it does mean you can earn more in the long run.

Suffolk Clean - did you get my email re the communal cleaning?

suffolkclean

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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2009, 02:49:31 pm »
Hi Colin - No I didn't get your email - I've been having work done to our website & email account only just sorted out after about 2 weeks. So sorry could you please re-send it to info@kc-services.com.
Thanks
Barbara

PaulineH

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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2009, 08:31:41 pm »
Hi Barbara (suffolk clean) i'm based in west yorkshire...And thanks for your advice..Pauline

fayellen

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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2009, 06:06:34 pm »
I was thinking of doing this but I only charge £8-8.50 an hour, so I assume to make money you should be charging between £10 & 12 ph. I know the majority of my clients wouldn't even consider paying that so how do you get around going from self employed to starting you own agency?? do you find new clients or up your rate to the ones you have and risk losing them ar in my case defo losing them?..thanks

suffolkclean

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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2009, 07:11:39 am »
Our price started off at £8 hr when we first started up thought this was a good rate but once you start thinking about things - whats involved in employing & the costs you soon realise its not enough. I increased everyone to £10 hr & never lost any customers. When we decided this wasn't a service we wanted to carry on with I called a few local domestic cleaning companies with regards to possibly selling the work but no - one was interested as they all charged £12 + hr.

In my opinion people think a lady on her own doing a bit of cleaning is going to be cheaper than dealing with a cleaning business. If you plan on employing & being a professional outfit then you can charge more for domestic.