did i say names, no, Ive been involved on a few threads of late and it comes across if you don't have a big shinny van with atop of the range system your not doing it right or your not professional, an if someone suggest anything different or diy wfp it is just slated to the ground, you cant say this ain't going on, i even basically got called a cowboy on one thread when i was just trying to show it can be done another way, i even went to the trouble of posting some pics, an what for just to get put down and called a cowboy, i would say there is some snobbery going on, you all say you don't look down your nose at others , you must be live in a bubble or something, you know who you are, shame really as there is some helpful chaps on here willing to see both sides, its no surprise why people are not posting as much, then you have the wind up merchants, now saying that i don't mind a good wind up here and there, but not all the time, myself i see people for what they are and will take it with a pinch of salt to a point, but when others or new people come on here it no wonder they put off, now i have a low post count but been a member for quite a while i just try to pick what i post. well that's said time for a cuppa.