[matt]

i am not sure if you are having a joke glyn

but just incase

tank = 25 L barrel

the pump and battery will be in the boxs

Window cleaning pump  either flojet or shurflo approx £85.00 - £120.00   my pumpcost me 40 quid and is still going 3 years on

33 amp hour battery approx  £45.00 - £55.00

we know they are much cheaper

sack truck lets say £35.00 mine was 22 quid



bit of welding are you suggesting using a professional firm? in which case I cannot see them doing anything under £30.00  upto 30 quid, though i would go for 20

pump box £20.00 12

battery box £20.00 not sure as i have nevr used 1, not really needed

waterproof On/off switch £4.00 2.40
Battery connection terminals £5.00 3.00 on ebay for a pack of 10 croc clips
heavy cable let's say £4.00 i got some for me van wednesday, 2.10
 

Using  the lowest price pumps and battery this would be £248.00

And on top of that you will also require a battery charger - minimum cost approx £20.00

 then lets look at how much time it takes you to construct it or are you not going to consider any labour charge for loss of earnings during the working day?


do it in the evening

If its a hobby then you dont need to price for labour, but if you are making it during a working day then you must price in the loss of income at say £30.00 - £40.00 an hour

as above, in the evening

[[GQC] Tim]

That's over a £140 matt. 

I've just had a look over at Omnipoles trolley range. I'm pretty shocked about the prices they charge for trolleys like that. Quite simple amazing. Dearest one is £949.00(!!)

Or a simple Omnitrolley classic, £575.00!

I do think Glyn gets an unfair hard time here on the forums, but certain things (prise wise) do very much puzzle me.

[Glyn H]

Tim you are talking about our 125 litre trolley the cost includes everything that is found on a van mount system

[KINGAKNAA]

I would go with Glyns everytime, I'm currently waiting for the new batch to be delivered. I'm presently using the WCW backpack and can do maximum 3 2 bed semi's with it, the obvious advantage of Glyns trolley IS the 35l capacity. Anyone who has used a backpack knows what its like humping a 25l barrel in each hand, so I would guess the 35l on a trolley would'nt be a problem. Personally I would say hats off to glynn and Omnipole for the pricing and spec of this trolley. Credit where its due.  

[[GQC] Tim]

Tim you are talking about our 125 litre trolley the cost includes everything that is found on a van mount system

Including RO or just a DI canister? If so the BOM works out at 2/6th at the very most, that's what shocks me. I know you are trying to make money, but it's a fine line between making a good profit and the you know what. I'm just shocked to see a price like that on something that cost relatively little to make.

[matt]

That's over a £140 matt. 

i make it 111.50 excluding the battery ( thats inc 30 quid for the welding ) so i guess it would be 140 quid, but thats still 100 quid cheaper

the thing with a sack truck is you have the space under the barrel to put a small car battery, pop along to a local industrial estate and ask around the garages, you will soon find a garage who will be glad for you to take them ( as they pay to have them collected ) you sometimes get a dud that doesnt hold its charge 1 bit, BUT 4 out of 5 times you strike lucky ( just take a few from the garage )

even if you wanted to buy a small car battery, 44 amp, you will pick 1 up for 30 quid ( and i wonder how long the battery on the chinese trolley will last, so i bet you will be looking for  anew battery soon enough anyways )

lets face facts, this chinese import trolley is not going to be built with the best parts at least when you build your own, you know how it works and you know the sack truck will last

[drwindows]

a sack truck, yeah thats gonna look really pro to customers.  NOT.

[matt]

a sack truck, yeah thats gonna look really pro to customers.  NOT.

 : : here we go AGAIN

[AuRavelling79]

I quite liked Peter Fogwill's 25/50L trolley when I had mine. The frame holds one or two std 25L barrels.

[matt]

I quite liked Peter Fogwill's 25/50L trolley when I had mine. The frame holds one or two std 25L barrels.

i still have mine up my mums shed, i normally put the battery where the 2nd barrel would go

worked well for a long long time

though i found the sack truck is easier to use, its designed for exactly what we want, moving a weight around with ease

[elite mike]

if your no good at diy and you want a cheap trolly

the tsr is the one to go for

if you get it from omnipole you will get the best price

and good after sales

and no i have no connection with glyn or omnipole

[AuRavelling79]

I quite liked Peter Fogwill's 25/50L trolley when I had mine. The frame holds one or two std 25L barrels.

i still have mine up my mums shed, i normally put the battery where the 2nd barrel would go

worked well for a long long time

though i found the sack truck is easier to use, its designed for exactly what we want, moving a weight around with ease

I had a 25L barrel in one section and carried my 16L backpack in the other section (after widening it with a carjack! ).

I distinctly remember a few school headteachers, a facilites mgr for a huge car manufacturer and a warden for a block of flats saying: "You can't use that it's not professional enough - and nor's your 12 year old estate car!" Not.  :

[matt]

I quite liked Peter Fogwill's 25/50L trolley when I had mine. The frame holds one or two std 25L barrels.

i still have mine up my mums shed, i normally put the battery where the 2nd barrel would go

worked well for a long long time

though i found the sack truck is easier to use, its designed for exactly what we want, moving a weight around with ease

I distinctly remember a few school headteachers, a facilites mgr for a huge car manufacturer and a warden for a block of flats saying: "You can't use that it's not professional enough - and nor's your 12 year old estate car!" Not.  :

 

[Glyn H]

Matt
You are not compairing like for like with your pricing
You say you bought a pump for £40.00 obviously this isnt one designed by shurflo flojet or any other manufacturer specifically for window cleaning and as such you would invalidate the warranty as the manufacturers do not warranty their standard pumps for window cleaning usage due to the wear and tear involved in this task.
Secoundly you advocate the use of either 2nd hand car battery or a new car battery as you will be well aware these are not designed for operating pumps as the plates are thinner and not designed to be used all day just for short bursts of high power to turn the flywheel, so are much cheaper to purchasse than deep cycle bateries.

Are you suggesting that wfp suppliers should be using the above componants mearly to save costs.

[matt]

Matt
You are not compairing like for like with your pricing
You say you bought a pump for £40.00 obviously this isnt one designed by shurflo flojet or any other manufacturer specifically for window cleaning and as such you would invalidate the warranty as the manufacturers do not warranty their standard pumps for window cleaning usage due to the wear and tear involved in this task.
Secoundly you advocate the use of either 2nd hand car battery or a new car battery as you will be well aware these are not designed for operating pumps as the plates are thinner and not designed to be used all day just for short bursts of high power to turn the flywheel, so are much cheaper to purchasse than deep cycle bateries.

Are you suggesting that wfp suppliers should be using the above componants mearly to save costs.

no glyn, i am giving different options, sharing a bit of info to others, giving others the knowledge that you can do it a different way ( you know, just as i did all them years ago )

my pump is a small pump, its not branded, but 3 years on, have i been lucky, i guess i have, though to be honest, we all know some1 who has had a flojet / shureflow that have failed after 15 months

i know about leisure batteries, ive owned 1 ( i am on many campervan / motorhome forums, where they are essential ) a cheap car battery for 30 quid will last the same time as the small batteries that are put in trolleys ( higher amp, thus not so discharged during a long day, as we know if you hammer a battery and it drops below a certain charge, it doesnt do the life of the battery much good )

for me, a 2nd hand car battery which lasts me 6 - 12 months for free works very well, when it dies, it gets changed ( now if you dont fancy asking at your local garage, just buy a new battery for 30 quid ) i like the idea of using 2nd had batteries, as its far greener, its recycling as it is s.posed to be its really not about the money ( though i am sure the knocker will say " your too much of a cheapskate to spend 30 quid ) i recycle my plastic, my cardboard and glass and metal, so why should i send a battery to the tip that will be shipped to india to be stripped by some poor scavenger child ? ? ? ?

this will be your Q for the line, well if  wfp suppliers dont make money, they will not be able to spend money on R&D, thus DIY'er will have nothing to copy

[Glyn H]

if  wfp suppliers dont make money, they will not be able to spend money on R&D, thus DIY'er will have nothing to copy

[matt]

if  wfp suppliers dont make money, they will not be able to spend money on R&D, thus DIY'er will have nothing to copy

its like the groundhog day, didnt we have this discussion 6 years ago

[drwindows]

matt, serious question:

Is window cleaning a business to you, I mean is it your main means of income, or is it more of a hobby?

[matt]

matt, serious question:

Is window cleaning a business to you, I mean is it your main means of income, or is it more of a hobby?

it is a main income yes

its a very good income to me aswell, dont mistake the lack of spending on me being poor

[drwindows]

it is a main income yes

I think you just answered my question perfectly.