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robert meldrum

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Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #80 on: August 20, 2009, 07:29:19 am »
Now where have I seen that idea before ::) ::)


clinton

Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #81 on: August 20, 2009, 08:07:01 am »
Mike ;D

That looks sounds a good idea  ;D

OOps has it not been done before  ;D

derek west

Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #82 on: August 20, 2009, 08:25:56 am »
all ready looked into forums mike and your right it is extremely cheap to set one up. in fact the forum its self is free, just hosting it costs a couple of quid. ;)
derek

Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #83 on: August 20, 2009, 09:21:48 am »
It's going well this is Derek.... The doubters are out in force ::).

With regards to being newbies and all that.... Some of us just want a honest days work and others want to make that £1m and even more. There's nothing wrong with ambition, and it's usually the less ambitious who protest.......

robert meldrum

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Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #84 on: August 20, 2009, 11:26:47 am »
Fascinating to see the reaction of the new / relatively new people who imagine they're about to change the world and who regard comments from people who've seen it all before as negative and non progressive / unbusinesslike.
There will always be " joiners " who will collect every training programme and join every association that pops up on the expectation that it will help them and or give them instant status.
Sure you can " buy " certification and gain knowledge along the way but all the memberships and courses in the world won't make yopu en expert.
I'm sure many others were like myself when this thread started thinking it was a total wind up especially when started by the resident commedian.
The fact that some posts are from " older " people and seem negative might because they've " walked the walk " for years, gained credibility from the quality of their work and possibly been members of organisations in the past.



Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #85 on: August 20, 2009, 12:23:33 pm »
Colin, you seem very keen on the idea, perhaps you should invest in the project Dragon's Den style ie time & money.  :)

I believe there are others in the throws of setting up NCCA like alternatives, people who have been in the industry a long time, know anyone worth knowing and have the resources to put into it.

Derek has enthusiasm but I'm really concerned that it's not a bright move for him right now. Call it negativity if you will but if his CC business suffers because of it, will all the 'positive',  "go for it Derek!" types be helping him pay the mortgage every month?

Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #86 on: August 20, 2009, 06:08:23 pm »
I've got my own idea's of a different nature.... I wouldn't go to Dragons Den with it though, they'd eat me! Wouldn't dare post it on here either..... I'm "Just" a newbie, I was only put on earth last year and have no life experience whatsoever ;D ;D ;D

Ryan Smyth

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Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #87 on: August 20, 2009, 06:54:12 pm »
Colin ;D ;D ;D

mark_roberts

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Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #88 on: August 20, 2009, 08:16:30 pm »
Ryan

You about tomorrow didnt get a chance to ring today.

BTW youve a mistake on your website.  Says youve been cleaning 8 years and started in 2006.  Did you write that after a few beers ;)

cheers
Mark

Ian Gourlay

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Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #89 on: August 20, 2009, 08:39:19 pm »
It not being a doubter
its just past experience,

My advise to Derek is look after your family

Build youre own Carpet Cleaning Company

Onvest the proceeds in the next Venture


If you want Ego Trips there are plent of outlets such as

local organizations charities etc   where you get up and go will be welcome.

In the main Carpet Cleaners are individuals

Forums do create a club atmosphere and get togethers are good for the most part, but we paddle are own conoes and look for big retuns when we spend £1000 on any organizations

I would not invest my childrens inheritance in any organization that  cannot prove it can deliver ;D ;D ;D


I think for £500 you can join Eco Cleaners Network


Was not the Algerg Stop Network and attempt at it also

Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #90 on: August 20, 2009, 08:42:52 pm »
Spot on Ian

derek west

Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #91 on: August 20, 2009, 08:48:29 pm »
must admit, quite a sensible post ian
still missing the point though. but my heads starting to bleed now and the wall aint looking much better. ;D

i will proceed with caution so don't worry bout me, ive been self employed since 1993, i'll be all right, i promise.
derek

nuff said.

ps... i'll keep the guys that have emailed me up to date on anything interesting, won't be for a while, ive got other issues. but watch that inbox.

Ian Gourlay

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Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #92 on: August 20, 2009, 08:53:32 pm »
Derek

I am not worried about you


Any Guy who could take  6K a week on markets has my RESPECT

derek west

Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #93 on: August 20, 2009, 08:57:26 pm »
6k?

only 3k at the peak ian, can't remember saying 6k. best year was 150k, (turnover) not done that for a while though.

derek

Ryan Smyth

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Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #94 on: August 20, 2009, 11:06:38 pm »
Nice spot Mark ;D but i actually didnt right a word on the website and i have noticed a few spelling mistakes too...have to get that sorted. ;)
Give me a bell whenever.
Ryan

Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #95 on: August 20, 2009, 11:43:33 pm »
In the main Carpet Cleaners are individuals

And this is the basis of my concerns. Thousands of individuals (which is what we are) will take some persuading to join via a large amount of money to try and change the world, whilst we can just carry on earning the money we are currently happy with.
I can only comment from past experience with having a foot in both the window cleaning industry and carpet cleaning. Both are similar in that they are individuals. But when the window cleaners got sick of the main player as a representative they failed to back the other alternative when it really mattered. At the time this was going on we were going through the possibility of hose pipe bans which risked closing down hundreds if not thousands of window cleaning businesses. And when this was all over did window cleaners back the new organisation who had meetings with MPs/Water Companies etc, did they heck.

I don't know much about the NCCA which means that the public must know zero about them, and I have no issue against them, but I have to question why they aren't canvassing all the carpet cleaners across the various forums to create a strong organisation that anyone would want to join, on the back of informing the end user (public) that they should use NCCA members.

I fear nothing nothing is going to change, albeit I wish Derick all the best if he wants to change things, but I have it on good authority that something similar is on the cards from a few others players in the carpet cleaning world. If this is the case then it would be far better if those with the ideas to challenge the NCCA all got together and made a concerted joint effort to change things. Afterall no amount of individual MP ever unseated the Prime Minister without grouping together to get the job done.

clinton

Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #96 on: August 21, 2009, 08:27:13 am »
Good post neil :)

Think we have to hear what derek has to say and maybe soon we can hear what his  starting plan is going to be.

I too hear there are others going down the same line of this so think this might be good as it will give us a choice and also some competition :)




robert meldrum

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Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #97 on: August 21, 2009, 09:46:24 am »
There will always be someone who thinks.....................THERE MUST BE A BETTER WAY and in some cases there will be a better way, but as stated by a few who've seen it all before, what appears to be a BETTER WAY is only better for the person collecting the cash.

The idea of forming GROUPS or CO OPERATIVES or ALLIANCES has been done successfully with organisations who in LARGE VOLUME businesses and the benefits are generally in the PURCHASING POWER although the will usually increase their market share due to increased but COSTLY marketing.

A very prominent feature of such operations is ALWAYS marketing on LOWER PRICES THAN THEIR COMPETITORS to gain an increased market share.

I may be wrong, but can't help thinking this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what carpet cleaners are seeking. They generally want HIGHER CHARGES for their services and I truly believe the only people who will achieve that are the STRONG MINDED INDIVIDUALS who market themselves NOT as part of a group but as " BETTER THAN THE OTHERS "

This leaves the LOWER END of the market of course, but there will never be loyalty or discipline enough from a group of 6 never mind a Nationwide group of 100 or whatever to maintain STANDARDS or even to renew memberships.

 

Griffus

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Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #98 on: August 21, 2009, 10:20:59 am »
Before we became involved in carpet cleaning I had never heard of the NCCA or IICRC.

I expect the same can be said for the majority of the population.

If I was looking for my carpets cleaned back then I would have called someone either by recommendation or via local advertising.

I truly doubt that membership of an industry body have influenced my decision.

There are plenty of rogue traders displaying logo's and badges that are worthless as far as being able to trust them goes.

Is anyone invloved with quality standards such as ISO? These are surely a better option if you have money to spend. Not sure how they relate to smaller companies though nor am I sure on cost. One thing is certain, a hell of a lot more people, especially professionals will be aware of this award as they will almost certainly have come accross it via their own industry.

Derek, no one will pay £1000 to join a new unproven organisation and even if you had 1000 members would you have any idea what to do with the money. What if people demand refunds when you fail to deliver on promises made.

You could get The Queen to front your membership campaign and you'd still struggle to get new members at a grand a pop!

Free membership is the only way you could have any chance of making a go of such an idea as you would stand out from the other organisations. Funding would have to come from other sources such as voluntary contributions and sponsorship, but chances are way beyond slim at best.

I am sure this is just a wind up bit if you are even nearly serious I would give up now before you waste a hell of a lot of your time.

Their have to be better hobbies out there ::)


derek west

Re: new name for the NCCA
« Reply #99 on: August 21, 2009, 12:14:40 pm »
free membership ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
yeah that'll work.

unbelievable.

serious carpet cleaners will pay £1000.
TACCA will focus on one thing and one thing only, customer awareness, this costs money, this is what every decent carpet cleaners wants. to walk into a house knowing the custy knows your good. knows your not gonna leave the carpets soaking, knows the stains won't come back in a week or so. knows you'll be around to do the job again in a years time, knows there getting value for money, theres no risk when choosing TACCA approved.
customer awareness
customer awareness
customer awareness
customer awareness
customer awareness
customer awareness
customer awareness
customer awareness

its not about making money, its about promoting carpet cleaning to the public. its what i want. its what NCCA members want.
its what you guys want, its what all decent honest hard working cc's want. like i said, a grand is nothing, frachisees pay a lot more than that per year and why, because they belong to something thats recognised.
TACCA will happen, but i'll have to find other ways to promote it than on here.

derek