[carpetworx]

Derek just type in Individual cleaners in google and all will be revealed.

[derek west]

cheers carpet worx

theres one thing missing off there enrolment form!

"equipment used"

this is the problem with all cleaning organisations, they just want your money. so anyone can join.

TACCA will be different, sorry, no rug doctors. or low performing portables.
i need to establish a cut off point and need help with that. i do believe portables can do a good job, but there needs to be minimum spec to get the water out. its a toughy!
derek

[Joe H]

Talking machine spec is one thing Derek.
For starters, I could suggest a minimum of 2 vac motors (2 stage of 3 stage?)
and a pump min 135psi.
That would get volume of operators - cause all businesses need an income.
However, if you specify 3 - 3 stage vac motors, you will get potential performance machine but not a big volume of operators.

HOWEVER the operator will decide how efficient the machine will work. How does one determne the efficiency of the operator?

I used to work a twin motor 50psi machine.
Got good results but was useless at the end of a day cause I worked hard to get the result I wanted and the client deserved. (never again by the way).

[derek west]

cheers for that input joe, much appreciated.
must admit, the figure in mind was 135 psi and a 2 stage vac, but as ive not used one i'm not really the one to say.
personally i think 135psi has got to be bare minimum, i very rarely clean lower than 250 and on a manky carpet (with my ltd knowledge of portables) i would find it extremely hard to flush everything out on 135psi.

"discuss"

derek

[daysdeepclean]

Jo, obvioulsy, though I dare say highly unlikely, a C/C could own a Titan and do a poor job. I say highly unlikely as you must be doing something right to be able to afford a Titan, or indeed most TM's!

Perhaps Derek and the team at TACCA would request proof of insurances, qualifications and equally as important, testimonials from the applicants satisfied clients, domestic and commercial.

I also dare say that the NCCA won't have RD users as they have stringent rules at becoming a member, and only someone serious about their work would jump through the hoops that NCCA put there. And someone that uses a RD can't really be serious about their work and wouldn't join an assosiation that costs more than their machine to join

How did your meeting with Peter Jones go Derek?

[derek west]

meeting?
you mean job, went really well, i cleaned peters 04 x type jag, leather seats front and back, came up a treat. he was well happy with the results, i then asked him if he was any relation to "the" peter jones off dragons den but unfortunately he wasn't.

seriuously! , he really was called peter jones, ask clinton, he phoned me while i was getting a brew off him.

derek

[daysdeepclean]

I used to work for a Michael Jackson many "moons" ago (Do you see what I did there? Moon.... Michael J..... Ah forget it!!!!)

He had one eye and a limp!!!!

[derek west]

i would say the original MJ is  quite limp right now, and once the worms get there teeth into him, he'll probably have one eye as well.

so 2 vac and 135psi should do a good job and leaves carpets reasonably dry, (minimum spec), plus some form of training cert?
i'll have a think about it, allthough help is needed. but i won't hold my breathe.
derek

[Ricky M]

westy , you need to use these porties b4 you can pass judgement on there usefulness , ive used a 135psi with a 2x3 stage vac and its noting at like a TM , not in the same league
 

[derek west]

rickster
hence the words "help is needed"
derek

[Joe H]

Of course a 2 x 3 stage, 135psi is nothing like a TM, but Derek is looking for ideas as to what is a minimum standard of machine is acceptable. He has always said the TACCA was not only for TMers.

As for "you need to have used one before you can pass comment" - disagree.
Maybe Lord Sainsbury (or whoever is the chairman these days) has not stacked shelves and worked the tills (but maybe he has) but that doesnt mean to say he cant make a policy decision on what should be done or what tills to buy - he has managers who advise him and consult with him.

I still reckon the problem will be on approving an operator.
If its certification - well I got a NCCA certificate, but most of you reckon they given with tops of cornflake boxes, and I been on a number of one day courses but got no certificates handed out.
And of course getting a certificate only means you either attended or you were good on that day.
So back to one of the grumbles against the NCCA - they dont check on the quality of the operator.
How do you police it? who does it? and at what cost?

[Peter Sweeney]

Simple Joe,

you monitor via checks and revoke membership without refund if non compliannt to what should be the the most basic of rules.

Easy mistake to spot on current governing

Hope your well fella

Pete

[derek west]

TACCA has a 3 strikes and your out policy, again, no refund. any complaints from customers will be investigated, if its a fundamental error by the tacca approved cleaner, he gets a strike. this still needs to be sorted out, but in theory should run okay.
derek

[Ryan Smyth]

tm or nowt, seriously its not even a competition.
and for all the old guard who have staggered on
with portables....why? put up or shut up, carpet cleaning
is not a trade its common sense, and the guy with the biggest
machine wins....END OF STORY. ( haulage contractors used horse
and cart back in the day, not many of them now on the motorways,
sorry lanes,highways,tracks,paths etc)

[Joe H]

Ah Ryan, but would you have said that BEFORE you got your truck mount.

[Ian Gourlay]

I think Training and length of time as a Carpet Cleaner  (2 years) is the important criteria and the willingnes to abide by a code of Ethics


If you want members with less than two years experience they will be probationary  members


Glad you droped £1000 joining fee I might now be prepared to invest my childrens inheritance but I doubt if you will agree my condition above so therefore I'm still out

[derek west]

ian
thats a fair point, i took your 2 year thing on board but struggled to see how it could work, i was worried about new comers and how that would effect them. certainly not setting out to alienate new comers, just want them to be serious about what there doing,certainly something to work at.
i like the probationary thing. or maybe gold silver and bronze membership let me have a few beers and see what i can come up with, then i'll run it by ya.
derek

[Ricky M]

Used nothing but a porty 2x3 vacs + 135 psi for just over 2 years , then used a TM for 3 days NO COMPARISON what so ever . its foolish IMO to belive a porty can do as good a job as a TM

Joe What has stacking shelfs got to do with cleaning and restoration ?

[Ian Gourlay]

If you want to have Truckmounters only

I believe there is already an organization for that.

Derek as you know my spelling is crap,

I was going to suggest Associate Member for less than two years

I think this kind of thing is quite common in other organizations

I know Dave L when he was on here believed there should be diffrent grades of qualifications to newcomers to the industry
 

[derek west]

definately NOT truckmounters only, theres some good porties out there who can do just as good a job. i believe in good hard working porty users, i also believe theres a place for the buffers. even vlm as long as they don't make silly claims and are realistic as to what they can do.
tacca is all about being approved, wearing the badge and being proud of wearing it. knowing your good at what you do, and giving the customer confidence to choose a tacca registered member. its all about educating the public and taking the worry out of choosing a cc.

there will be a complaints form to download off the site for custies, these will be investigated, makes it more doable than just checking up on every member.

3 strikes and your out. that doesn't mean 3 mistakes and your out, i believe if you make a mistake and put it right then theres no need to worry.

we all make mistakes, but what seperates the cowboys from the pro's is how we deal with those mistakes. tacca'a code of conduct will take this into account.

its all slowly taking shape, like i said, just need some help to dot the I's and cross the T's.

cheers for your input ian. much appreciated and definately taken on board.

TACCA will happen,

derek