eclipse that looks a nice job, i have some like that and even bigger i do some local schools some flats for a management company and i have my car only i started out with a Astra van with small system in it, but a mate had a offer for me to become a partner in a lake so due to mostly domestic i sold van and for temp I'm use in the family car, but know i have another investment other than window cleaning, i do agree vans look better but don't mean you still cant get some quality jobs without a van, it just depends on who recommended you for the job, i nearly brought a van the other week but i couldn't make up my mind as i would like a l200 animal, one thing i have noticed buy not have in a van is less to pay out, if Mrs has a car to run about in say little corsa then you have family car for you, then works van it can cost a few quid to run them all, so l200 for me and my work and Mrs run around seems to make sense, it might not be every ones cup of tea working with freedom trolley and slx pole for domestic work but it works,