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Ricky M

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Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2009, 08:31:13 pm »
Tm is the way to go Ive tried 1 albeit only for 3 days but they wipe the floor with a porty
they make a porty look like feather duster  and the clients rave about the speed and the results 
www.ability1975.co.uk
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              NCCA !? but why have non of my clients herd of them ??

Len Gribble

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Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2009, 08:54:08 pm »
Ricky

Yeh right! ::)

Len
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other. (Sidcup Kent)

Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2009, 08:59:57 pm »
Don't entirely agree that TM's rule.

Lots of reasons for and against and lots a commercial places are hot on security and do not err lets rephrase will NOT have the doors and windows open!

Access can be limited with TM's

And as for TM's giving the best all over... I dont agree again. You do not need all that power to clean effectively. There just big machines that come from the USA.

Its kind of like buying a farrari when all you need is a Vauxall.

The only thing I agree on is replenishing the water supply. And there is a way round that with portys and that fit a ball valves and run another pipe to continue the flow of water.  

I have also won work from companies, who do not like TM's. I have also seen work done with TMs and also seen workmanship of TMs so if the operator is no good a £25,000 TM's wont help.

Its all down to knowledge and the right chemicals and indeed the skill of the technician

There are a few franchise carpet cleaners with BIG tm's and we have been called in to rectify the work. Its just some customers do not actually complain enough to call them back.


The guys with TM's have to say they are better! You spent more money.. you need to find away to get over the initial shock of spending all that money. When there was no need.


I have used TM's as well.


Dave

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2009, 09:33:13 pm »
Rectifying problems with truckmount users is rare usually it's the porty users that give carpet cleaners a bad name by wetting things through, TM users can often over sell the power and that's when you get customers that are unhappy.

A TM is far more productive that's where you win, accessability is only a problem if you want it to be, I don't have a problem and have been using TM's for 10 years.

Shaun

derek west

Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2009, 09:41:00 pm »
on low profile carpet tiles, bonnetting wins hands down.

truckmounts aren't the B all and end all.

derek

Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2009, 09:44:39 pm »
Rectifying problems with truckmount users is rare usually it's the porty users that give carpet cleaners a bad name by wetting things through, TM users can often over sell the power and that's when you get customers that are unhappy.

A TM is far more productive that's where you win, accessability is only a problem if you want it to be, I don't have a problem and have been using TM's for 10 years.

Shaun


Don't most TM users own a Porty anyway?

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2009, 09:49:49 pm »
No.

Never again.

Shaun

Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2009, 10:05:03 pm »
I just thought that if your van's knackered, you're prettty buggered..... A porty will transfer to another van in seconds :D

Ricky M

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Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2009, 10:20:03 pm »
on low profile carpet tiles, bonnetting wins hands down.

truckmounts aren't the B all and end all.

derek

did a large sports centre with low profile tiles ( in a really bad way ) I tried lots of bonnet systems but still found they need HWE as well to get a good job
www.ability1975.co.uk
                          www.carpetcleaninguttoxeter.co.uk  
              NCCA !? but why have non of my clients herd of them ??

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2009, 10:40:15 pm »
Bonnets are great but when you get solid soil like black top then you are buggered or ink stains etc, you do need both systems no point of having just one.

Colin if your van breaks down do you have another van to put the other carpet cleaning stuff in? also a TM is so productive that you can work longer the day after to catch up.

Shaun

Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2009, 10:51:06 pm »
Shaun, I'm not trying to knock TM's, I would buy one tomorrow!

derek west

Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2009, 10:55:15 pm »
i agree you need both, TM and bonnet to do a proper job, thats why i'm after a bonnetting system.
pointless TM'ing and filthy com carpet if you can't maintain for less.

Simon Gerrard

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Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2009, 11:12:32 pm »
I've had Truck Mounts in all of there forms for twenty odd years, having used portables for some years prior to that. In that time we have clean carpets in every town and city in the country, including Oxford Street, London and NEVER had a problem with access, even in the tallest of buildings and the busiest of cities.
Some portable operators always come up with these clichéd excuses for not offering their customers the very best technology on the market today. Don't get me wrong, a portable in the right hands can do a great job, there's no question about that. The trouble is, a Truck Mount in the right hands can not only do a great job, but can do a great deal of great jobs while the portable guy is left humping his machine into jobs, emptying it, filling it, re-filling it and humping it back into the van again.
People who invest tens of thousands of pounds in Truck Mounts aren't fools, we don't do it just to have the biggest, shiniest toys at our disposal, we do it because we are committed professionals and competent business people who recognise the sheer financial sense in having a system that in most cases is faster and more efficient and does a far better job than your average portable.
I haven't always operated TM's, in my early years we used twin vac portables which to be fair did a job, (otherwise we wouldn't have remained in business) but having made the quantum leap to Truck Mount our business took a giant leap forward and has continued to go forward with the the very latest Truck Mount developments that have opened up markets that are simply impossible to contemplate with a portable, even with a whole fleet of portables.
But.....having done the humping, the filling and the emptying for all those years, I've only got one word to say to you portable operators. RESPECT!!!!

Simon


Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2009, 11:19:43 pm »
Colin I think most cleaners want TM's but I was just answering or making a point of where there is a will there's a way, you have near as damn got there just the next upgrade will be an expensive one so make sure you have the cash and a regular flow of customers.

Shaun

PS Start putting your kids spending money in that big whisky bottle now, the kids get far too much spent on them anyway ;D

MartinJordan

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Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2009, 12:00:44 am »
Simon,

You have far too much time on your hands

Gary Webber

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Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2009, 07:55:05 am »
I Think your views are totally blinkered.

I dont want a truckmount nor do I aspire to wanting a truckmount. I want a RANGE of systems that allow me to carry out work across a range of carpets/areas from low profile tiles to shagpiles/saxony. You may believe a truckmount does all this MANY dont.

As stated before, you could have the best machine in the world, but if you dont know what you are doing it is useless against good competition.

Gary

Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2009, 08:23:20 am »
That's one way of looking at it Gary, so why don't all top executive drive around in Fiat 500's  they are cars the same as Mercs and BM's they get you from A to B ::)

Simon Gerrard

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Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2009, 01:15:07 pm »
Gary,
I've never come across anyone who can't clean any type of carpet with a Truck Mount, clearly you have, but then you've had the misfortune of talking to people who don't have one, or haven't even experienced one first hand and knock them purely on the basis of ignorance, or in some cases jealousy.
There are other options, as you quite rightly point out, most of them are considerably cheaper than a Truck Mount, so why do so many people take the more expensive option?
You say this is a blinkered view which suggests that TM owners invest in their machines purely on the basis of ignorance of what else is available as an alternative and blindly shell out tens of thousands of pounds on equipment they simply don't need, which is ludicrous.

But it wouldn't do for us all to think the same, so hats off to you!

Simon

Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2009, 01:25:01 pm »
I Think your views are totally blinkered.

I dont want a truckmount nor do I aspire to wanting a truckmount. I want a RANGE of systems that allow me to carry out work across a range of carpets/areas from low profile tiles to shagpiles/saxony. You may believe a truckmount does all this MANY dont.

As stated before, you could have the best machine in the world, but if you dont know what you are doing it is useless against good competition.

Gary

Well Done Gary!

I agree. Had a customer call today and asked about types of cleaning, I was going to say Just HWE, with a poor little Porty!

But she interupted me and said I want Dry Cleaning!!!!

Ahhh I said well with all the MONEY I saved on my RHINO 500psi only for £950+vat  I have managed to get a great deal from http://www.aandmcs.co.uk on an E30 ENVIRODRI SYSTEM...

Got such a good deal I cant say how much! But with the money I saved I am looking onto another product! No John, Lee dont call me! You guys will make me skint!

So can a TM do DRI CLEANING? Er No!!!!

So Variety is better than just 10,000 on a TM. I got the work sheer luck really!

Dave

Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2009, 01:40:28 pm »
Dave

Are you a real carpet cleaner or a professional plugger for A&M? You seem to spend more time plugging a&m than doing any cleaning.

Many on here will remember Simon's marathon TM thread a while ago before he got banned LOL

Anyway that was what probably 'turned' me in the end along with going out on a TM cleaning job.

Once you start using one I think you would have to be pretty desperate to go back to a portable as your main machine.

As regards range, I think most TM owners have a pad system and a portable and a hardfloor wand etc so really they have more a RANGE than someone without a TM.

The downsides are fuel (just put your price up), if it or your van breaksdown you're a bit stuck, occasionally access adds significantly to job time, noise is an issue in certain circumstances and it's not percieved as being very green. Oh and if you are in Scotland, Cornwall is a bloody long way.