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jonnyald

Re: Whoops !
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2009, 10:17:31 pm »
Mark

He's slapping paint on a wall, it's hardly skilled - and he hasn't got any equipment more expensive than a paint brush and roller and he doesn't supply materials.

 And finally, he thinks he runs a business when in reality he is just working every day for day rate, he may just as well be an employee.


Steve
painting n decorating  and cleaning - no difference Whatsoever in the skill level

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Whoops !
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2009, 10:20:21 pm »
Only trouble is that you don't get many customers like that on a regular basis.

Shaun

gwrightson

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Re: Whoops !
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2009, 08:04:06 am »
Like most trades  ,  painting and decorating is skilled.

like carpet cleaning  their are guys who set up as painters and decorators, with very little knowledge and very little skill, and their are the guys who are time served, that have served their appenticeship.
My son in law is a p/d served is time with a local reputable well known company for crap money, worked for a couple of firms for a while on a resonable wage , nothing special but above average, now I knew he could do much better on his own , a risk he really didnt want to take having only recently having a daughter at the time, in the end i persuaded him other wise , and over the last couple of years he has got busier and busier to the point he is now taking on an apprentice.
Why is he doing so well ? because he is skilled and a perfectionist , his custy tend to be high end are willing to pay decent money.

Mark your assuption of slapping paint on is hardly a correct analogy, well it is if thats all you want I suppose.  a good painter is capable of any number of tasks, including rag rolling, glazing , broken coulour techniques, graining , marbleing , combing ,metal leafing to name a few and all of this with out even going down the path of paper hanging, wood staining etc.

qualified painter/ decorator   3 years  .
c/c      perhaps a combined total of a couple of weeks if you go on most courses.

slapping a bit of paint on, some people do talk crap ;)  I do hope you dont have the same attitude when your cleaning Mark!!!

Geoff.

ps Forgot to say I can slap a bit of paint on, but I do know it wouldnt be PROFESSIONAL standard.
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)

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Re: Whoops !
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2009, 08:27:20 am »
Geoff

I'm going to defend Mark here, because it was me that made the "slapping paint on remark" and like a lot of the banter on here it was a tongue in cheek remark.

I am well aware of the skill levels of professional decorators as at one point I was headed in that direction and have attended a few courses at Dulux including their marketing course.

I seriously doubt that the average painter charging a day rate day-in, day-out is capable of all the time-served skills you mentioned, but I could be wrong.

This was a light-hearted subject, so we can do without the people talk crap comments or the inference that comments made on here translate into our own working practices.

Steve

gwrightson

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Re: Whoops !
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2009, 08:44:26 am »
just making a point ;D

apoligies to Mark , i got the wrong guy :) 

to be fair it didnt look like a toungue in cheek remark.

Geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)

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Re: Whoops !
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2009, 08:54:39 am »
Fair enough Geoff

It was supposed to be tongue in cheek, but I had just got in after having had another row with my ex  >:(


Steve

M.Acorn

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Re: Whoops !
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2009, 10:05:03 am »
Yes it was a bit of informal banter on my behalf ! I was shocked he was only charging that rate,i was commenting on the finish he acheived !
Considdering the build quality of the house he was painting,it was impecable,and could not understand why he was charging so little.
What goes around comes around

fenman

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Re: Whoops !
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2009, 01:27:57 pm »
When I was in the building game the painters were looked down on by all the other trades.
The expression used was " if you can p*ss you can paint "
Mind you this was on new build houses where the skill required is not as high as more specialist work.