[Sunshine/Cleaning]

Sunshine I have been a traditonal window cleaner for 12 years mate lolApologies if I sounded harsh
I am quick with the mop and blade but not as quick as WFP and to me the results on the glass are no different than traditional.Yes, if you get good glass the results can be consistently better IMHO



But I can see where your coming from.
too many so-called window cleaners that can only do WFP, don't know how to use a mop and blade.I think this is why so many customers of new WFPers complain about the quality of window cleaning therefore giving WFP a very bad name, many of these window cleaners wouldn't know how to clean a window Trad! I try to extract as mush money as I can from each customer so if they want it done trad and I can do so safely I will. They will however, pay more than it would cost with WFP. These are classed as PREMIUM accounts. I take my time, they pay for it.! I even give people the choice on my website and they can see that it is more costly. To be honest though most go for the standard service. I then push the "Deep Clean" in the spring.

[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

Sunshine, I am trying to push for the plastics cleaning service.
Gutters cleared, flushed and washed down, fascia boards and soffits washed down, window frames washed down ( and in some cases upvc cleaner to clear the stains) then a window clean all this for £99.
I've had a few of those jobs but not as many as I would like.
I would love 3-5 per week 

[clean]

"psthe wfp finish is spotless. they just dont like wfp because of the wet walls after the windows have been cleaned"

What a bunch of muppets
there are some real stupid people out there !

[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

Tell me about it Pole King 

[tony talbot]

i think at the end of the day where all cleaning windows to earn money. wfp and trad are just skills we use to  do the job. wfp has advantages over trad and visa- versa, if the custy is willing to pay extra for trad service then it should be offered within reason. the question behind my post was: if wfp is to become the norm then trad must be charged at a premium rate. the same differance between cutting grass with a rotary mower or do you pay extra for a cylinder cut that leaves nice stripes.

[Small but perfectley formed]

my thoughts exactley

[stephen s]

my thoughts exactley

thats just it stupid you don;t think,  you cant spell mind you I shouldn't laugh at anyone from Rotherham, after all it must be awful coming from somewhere where the football season finishes in September and where mums and dads begin at 13.

they do say every village has one and your defo one,     but then again you know a great service when you pay over the odds for one.

do say hello to mummy tubbs for me

[AuRavelling79]

my thoughts exactley

thats just it stupid you don;t think,  you cant spell mind you I shouldn't laugh at anyone from Rotherham, after all it must be awful coming from somewhere where the football season finishes in September and where mums and dads begin at 13.

they do say every village has one and your defo one,     but then again you know a great service when you pay over the odds for one.

do say hello to mummy tubbs for me

Sorry? Why make prejudiced remarks about someone because of where they live?

I could trot out some rubbish like "Did you put the Berk in Berkshire, Stephen S?" but I think it would diminish my argument to verbally abuse another forum member.

So I will put it this way.

If a customer doesn't want me to clean using wfp (even if I have a Thermopure Wfp and I know I can use it well) then why is it "being a pikey" to explain that I can do it their way but as it will take me longer then I will charge more for it? Time = money and all that.

As for me, as my using wfp is partly for safety reasons, it would diminish my stated reasons to the customer for using wfp if I went above ground floor trad. So I will do ground floor trad. for a premium in one or two cases, even if I feel the custy is completely batty to request it, if it otherwise suits me.

Now, if you have a lucid answer without abuse I'd like to hear it.

[stephen s]

so what your saying is that when you converted from trad to WFP you actually put your prices down ?
 because that's what I can decipher from what your saying.

I'm all in agreement of a fair price for a good job but not to the stage where overcharging someone just because your climbing a ladder to do it,     the post began as though it was a great way to cash in on people who were not fully converse with WFP  and all that needs is a proper explanation about the benefits to the customer of having their windows cleaned that way and also the safety aspect to the operator.


I can fully understand why some w/c charge double for insides clean because of all the hassle involved of moving things about and thats fair enough,   but if a potential customer said to me that they would prefer their windows cleaned trad as apposed  to WFP  and wouldn't mind paying extra I would simply tell them sorry I only clean WFP and stick to my guns and if they didn't want my service then fine.



as to your comments about me abusing someone because of where they come from, I totally agree its wrong  but when some narrow minded scumbag calls me a TWAT ( his words )  and someone seconds that I feel its my duty to fight fire with fire  even if the latter of my post was a joke in reference to a previous post between myself and that person but I agree uncalled for just the same.

Maybe your right and I was lowering myself to their scumbag standards but as I said anyone speaks to me like that then I can take it but give it as well.


as to having your little tongue in cheek go about Berkshire people then I would prefer if you directed it at me and not them,   I'm a SCOUSER  mate and very proud of the fact and as you should be aware we take it and give it just as good.

I will willingly see peoples points of view but will NEVER have them forced on me and should I choose to disagree with them I will,

I have chatted some some nice people on here and read some very interesting topics  but have also noticed some total idiots and quite a few brown noses   you know who you are ?

I would say that is Lucid enough

[leapstallbuildings]

I could trot out some rubbish like "Did you put the Berk in Berkshire, Stephen S?" but I think it would diminish my argument to verbally abuse another forum member

Contrary to popular rumour, I did not put the sex in Sussex.

[stephen s]

I could trot out some rubbish like "Did you put the Berk in Berkshire, Stephen S?" but I think it would diminish my argument to verbally abuse another forum member

Contrary to popular rumour, I did not put the sex in Sussex.

thank god its not sucks in sussex 

[AuRavelling79]

Stephen S - No you aren't making sense. I've been wfp for several years for most of my work. I believe that I can do a better job with it than not so if a custy insists I use trad methods then I do one of two things.

1. Is it an upper floor? If so then i refuse to do it.

2. If it is a ground floor that I have done for them wfp for several years and because they have leaky windows (poorly maintained or badly installed) they ask me to do their conservatory traditionally then if that adds to my time at their property then I will adjust my price accordingly. So if I charged say £20 before I might make it £25 to reflect the extra time changing from wfp to trad. to suit them.


As for your response about "Berk in Berkshire", I think you've over-reacted. It was simply my way of getting my point over that it diminishes my argument to use such abuse. The names the other posters are calling you are just as bad as you are calling them.

Why do you feel it is necessary to do this?

Oh, and no, I didn't put my prices down when I changed from trad to wfp - you inferred that - incorrectly.

[AuRavelling79]

In answer to Tony Talbot's sensible question at the outset - I know several trad. cleaners who take great delight in telling me that they've taken on trad. work at a higher rate from "rubbish" wfp operators.

If so then good for them.

[seandyer2003]

Maybe pikeys have a brain then if you are charging the same price for everything!!

Its a business! If you dont wanna do it charge higher if they wanna pay then great, i think the pikeys could teach you something mate, probably manners too from the remarks in your post

[stephen s]

Stephen S - No you aren't making sense. I've been wfp for several years for most of my work. I believe that I can do a better job with it than not so if a custy insists I use trad methods then I do one of two things.

1. Is it an upper floor? If so then i refuse to do it.

2. If it is a ground floor that I have done for them wfp for several years and because they have leaky windows (poorly maintained or badly installed) they ask me to do their conservatory traditionally then if that adds to my time at their property then I will adjust my price accordingly. So if I charged say £20 before I might make it £25 to reflect the extra time changing from wfp to trad. to suit them.


As for your response about "Berk in Berkshire", I think you've over-reacted. It was simply my way of getting my point over that it diminishes my argument to use such abuse. The names the other posters are calling you are just as bad as you are calling them.

Why do you feel it is necessary to do this?

Oh, and no, I didn't put my prices down when I changed from trad to wfp - you inferred that - incorrectly.

I make perfect sense and I noticed to didn't  say anything to that prick for calling me a TWAT  but like I said and I'm proved right there are so really bad brown noses on here and thats you included.

But I can live with that because I'm a happy person with a great outlook on life  and value my points of view.

you talk about me not making sense but Ive read your post over and over and you even contradict yourself   how silly

anyway enough of that I know where I stand and as I said in my earlier post if some prick or brown nose wants to slag me off then thats fine but I will willingly give it back EVERY TIME


now if you want to say anything constructive then feel free

[AuRavelling79]

Stephen S - No you aren't making sense. I've been wfp for several years for most of my work. I believe that I can do a better job with it than not so if a custy insists I use trad methods then I do one of two things.

1. Is it an upper floor? If so then i refuse to do it.

2. If it is a ground floor that I have done for them wfp for several years and because they have leaky windows (poorly maintained or badly installed) they ask me to do their conservatory traditionally then if that adds to my time at their property then I will adjust my price accordingly. So if I charged say £20 before I might make it £25 to reflect the extra time changing from wfp to trad. to suit them.


As for your response about "Berk in Berkshire", I think you've over-reacted. It was simply my way of getting my point over that it diminishes my argument to use such abuse. The names the other posters are calling you are just as bad as you are calling them.
Why do you feel it is necessary to do this?

Oh, and no, I didn't put my prices down when I changed from trad to wfp - you inferred that - incorrectly.

I make perfect sense and I noticed to didn't  say anything to that prick for calling me a fool  but like I said and I'm proved right there are so really bad brown noses on here and thats you included.

Although you've typed the above rather poorly I get the gist of it. Read the bit above in my post which you have highlighted and which I in turn have highlighted in red. You are reading too quickly and missing salient points, Stephen S. Why are you calling me a brown-nose? You are not thinking it through.

But I can live with that because I'm a happy person with a great outlook on life  and value my points of view.

I am very glad you are a happy person and that you value your own points of view. Sometimes we can grow and be even happier if we respond to how others see us sometimes.


you talk about me not making sense but Ive read your post over and over and you even contradict yourself   how silly

Sorry, Stephen, perhaps you could show me where I have contradicted myself. I like to learn from others; especially about how to improve my window cleaning - that's why I come to this forum. Yes I can be silly but would like to know how I have been silly over this matter.

anyway enough of that I know where I stand and as I said in my earlier post if some prick or brown nose wants to slag me off then thats fine but I will willingly give it back EVERY TIME

I find that not slagging people off and "shouting" lowers my blood pressure and makes me feel more relaxed.

now if you want to say anything constructive then feel free

Love and kisses to you Stephen S. May angels from heaven rain sweetmeats and blessings upon you. 

[stephen s]

oh thank you sweetheart,  and keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars