[bad trippy]

I have decided to go WFP on awkward and dangerous windows on my round, have bought a trolley/backpack combo and have a RO arriving tomor. What i want to know is how do i go about getting rid of the fairy built up on the windows? Should i trad said same windows one more time using just pure water in preperaton for next months first WFP cleans or just hit them straight away with WFP?

[Dean Taberner]

Hit them hard!!!!!

[pingu]

Personally I would just clean them as you mean to go on....wfp them and then go back and do them for a 2nd time.

1st time...concentrate on the frames, espcially the top frame & glass.
2nd pass....clean as normal.

Plent of rinsing.

Cheers
Dave.

[landy2]

just go water fed i know a cleaner who after 2 years still only uses his system on a few houses  not worth it do the lot with it i know you still need the ladder for flat roofs there is three of us and i do the pole one does the flat roofs one does the bottoms then when flat roofs are done he goes on the second pole works great

[bad trippy]

just go water fed i know a cleaner who after 2 years still only uses his system on a few houses  not worth it do the lot with it i know you still need the ladder for flat roofs there is three of us and i do the pole one does the flat roofs one does the bottoms then when flat roofs are done he goes on the second pole works great

To be honest i personaly dont rate wfp, thats just my opinion but also know personaly wfp windies that tell me its crap, but most importantly is the fact when i go out canvassing i hear every time customers who hate it, and to be honest the amount of work i pick up from the polers being sacked is a fairly large amount. But i have also explained to my custies i will being doing the odd window WFP which i deem to be dangerous from a ladder, and their fine with this

[elite mike]

just go water fed i know a cleaner who after 2 years still only uses his system on a few houses  not worth it do the lot with it i know you still need the ladder for flat roofs there is three of us and i do the pole one does the flat roofs one does the bottoms then when flat roofs are done he goes on the second pole works great

To be honest i personaly dont rate wfp, thats just my opinion but also know personaly wfp windies that tell me its crap, but most importantly is the fact when i go out canvassing i hear every time customers who hate it, and to be honest the amount of work i pick up from the polers being sacked is a fairly large amount. But i have also explained to my custies i will being doing the odd window WFP which i deem to be dangerous from a ladder, and their fine with this

i think this must be operator error

since i went wfp i find it great , best thing thats happened to wc

i do get the odd complaint  :

 and there is the odd windows that will not come good with wfp

but on the hole its great 

[martinsadie]

I have decided to go WFP on awkward and dangerous windows on my round, have bought a trolley/backpack combo and have a RO arriving tomor. What i want to know is how do i go about getting rid of the fairy built up on the windows? Should i trad said same windows one more time using just pure water in preperaton for next months first WFP cleans or just hit them straight away with WFP?

i would have saved money stuck with the ladders and missed the bad windows 

[tony talbot]

traditional is the best way for windows but wfp is the safest remember one fall and you could lose all your custys, put yourself first and there standards second, custys can be replaced you cannot!!!!!!!!

[NWH]

The times i`ve heard that said i`ll only use it on a few awkward windows lol i said it myself and believe me after a few weeks if there not in you`ll be doing the whole house WFP until in the end you`ll think sod the ladders where`s me pole,trust me.If you use the pole to it`s potential ladders are hardly needed.

[WCE]

CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP (and then just for good measure) CRAP

just go water fed i know a cleaner who after 2 years still only uses his system on a few houses  not worth it do the lot with it i know you still need the ladder for flat roofs there is three of us and i do the pole one does the flat roofs one does the bottoms then when flat roofs are done he goes on the second pole works great

To be honest i personaly dont rate wfp, thats just my opinion but also know personaly wfp windies that tell me its crap, but most importantly is the fact when i go out canvassing i hear every time customers who hate it, and to be honest the amount of work i pick up from the polers being sacked is a fairly large amount. But i have also explained to my custies i will being doing the odd window WFP which i deem to be dangerous from a ladder, and their fine with this

Why don't you rate WFP? works fine in the right hands. Maybe the wc's you are speaking to are muppets because 99% of the time there are no problems and a better finish IMO!!! Mike hit the nail on the head! - operator error : :

[pingu]

Its all horses for courses and the best tool for the job...as for wfp not being very good..this must be done to the cleaner in question just as it is when a trad guy does a poor job.

WFP wc's are rubbish and fantasic as are trad wc's....neither system is poor...the result in the main is just how it is used.  And lets face it...each one of each can be good and bad but never perfect.

Dave.

[bad trippy]

I also firmly believe that ladder accidents are operator error, i first started cleaning windows from 1985 to 1999, in that time i came off the ladder 3 times, on all 3 occasions it was my fault. First was ladder slipped on the icy patio second i had the ladder at a stupid angle which to be honest i knew was dodgy but went up anyway, 3rd time was i climbed up on to a wet tiled roof and sliped on the way down.

[landy2]

TRUE since going water fed i have never looked back you could never get leaded windows as clean and done faster than by the pole

[WCE]

traditional is the best way for windows

Tony that bit makes you sound like a guy who would clean his car with a toothbrush! Technology has  moved on and people need to realise it. No one washes their clothes by hand! If the same ideals were used in the real world then we would all still use tapes and VHS. Everyone knows that DVD is better  
(Agree with the rest though - no offence intended )

[NWH]

It makes me chuckle when i hear people say it dosen`t work i`ve been using it almost 5 years and havn`t lost 1 custies due to the method used,cleaning trad i couldn`t manage 1/2 the work i do so what would be the point in having a biggish round trad and taking on more work i simply couldn`t fit it all in.You can take on as much work as you want trad it`s getting it all done from ladders is the bit which makes me scratch my head,it ain`t happening if you want to keep on top of your work it has to be WFP way or nothing IMO.You also hear a few on hear playing the old i just want to do a perfect job card,yeah right grow some balls and go WATERFED lol.

[bad trippy]

WCE The muppets you mention are A, the custmomers B,One of the biggest cleaning firms in Bristol who clean nationally. C a good friend of mine that has been a windy for over 10 years and a poler for 6 yrs now. These are the muppets who tell me WFP is crap

[WCE]

I also firmly believe that ladder accidents are operator error, i first started cleaning windows from 1985 to 1999, in that time i came off the ladder 3 times, on all 3 occasions it was my fault. First was ladder slipped on the icy patio second i had the ladder at a stupid angle which to be honest i knew was dodgy but went up anyway, 3rd time was i climbed up on to a wet tiled roof and sliped on the way down.

Why take the risk again! God the way you go on you'll be on Newsnight next for the fwc (joke)  
Seriously I understend what you are saying but why take the risk. WFP operators like NWH  (any relation to NWA ) will swear by it as I do. We get paid the same at least as a Trad guy yet at no point during the day is there a chance that we will plunge 10 - 15 ft off a ladder. Maybe the Trad cleaner will end up in the future being paid more but until then I wont be going out of my way to use a ladder to do work where I get paid the same despite the risks. You have had 3 falls, why risk another?

[NWH]

1 of the biggest cleaning firms in Bristol eh,they probobly couldn`t give a stuff what kind of a job they do it`s not there work they more than likely splash and dashand there are plenty of them giving good WFPolers a bad name.IMO it works better than trad on 90% of jobs at least at the 1`s i do and having to carry a ladder about everyday now would make me cry into my tea.

[leapstallbuildings]

WCE The muppets you mention are A, the custmomers B,One of the biggest cleaning firms in Bristol who clean nationally. C a good friend of mine that has been a windy for over 10 years and a poler for 6 yrs now. These are the muppets who tell me WFP is crap

The window cleaners who say it to you probably just want you to not use the pole so that they have less competition - and you fell for it too   

[NWH]

WCE The muppets you mention are A, the custmomers B,One of the biggest cleaning firms in Bristol who clean nationally. C a good friend of mine that has been a windy for over 10 years and a poler for 6 yrs now. These are the muppets who tell me WFP is crap

The window cleaners who say it to you probably just want you to not use the pole so that they have less competition - and you fell for it too   

Spot on couldn`t have put it better myself.