[GWCS]

What the longest A Frames available?

From ladder sales direct i found some extended to be 8.25metres.. is that enough to reach 4th floors?

Got a difficult construction clean up do do, and scaffold tower is a non option, so is mewp and so is working from inside as the windows don't open  :

Also need some removable stabilisers - are there such things for ladders? Or are they fixed only?

[JSMC]

4th floor on ladder sbest o luck mate wouldn't be me.


money not that important to me

[brighouse_wc_trad]

4th floor on a construction site is illegal. you will be thrown off site. it is impossible to satisfy a risk assessment for that height on ladders. you should have covered this in your cscs working at heights course. if it's new build the architect will have a cleaning logistics file by law. in this will be how they proposed to clean the building. also you should be aware that extension 'a' frame ladders are not accepted under any risk assessment or method statement. they are considered dangerous by the iosh course i did thru the fed.

[GWCS]

Its not a new build or a building site, its on a private home-owners redevelopment.


Never heard of a frames being considered dangerous. I'll check that with the HSE and safe contractor, and my hse training advisor on my IOSH managing course.

[SherwoodCleaningSe]

I have a set of 30 footers. You won't get and bigger in this country now.  30 foot is pretty much max height on a ladder and that is with someone footing.

Simon. 

[brighouse_wc_trad]

they are considered dangerous as an extension ladder has to have 4 points of contact. 'a' frame ladders by their nature only have 3 points of contact. the fact that it's a redevelopment means it comes under the health and safety at work act 1974. if you have iosh managing safely certificate and registration then you should already know all this. i certainly covered it on my 5 day course. 4th floor on an 'a frame' really???

[GWCS]

I only need 3rd floor, but was wondering for 4 floors.

Not done the IOSH yet, it will be done before the job.

Thanks for the heads up 

[MJH]

Its not a new build or a building site, its on a private home-owners redevelopment.


Never heard of a frames being considered dangerous. I'll check that with the HSE and safe contractor, and my hse training advisor on my IOSH managing course.

Cherry picker? 4 floors off an a frame is not un heard of but it is very dangerous, hse would go nuts you should know that!!

[brighouse_wc_trad]

may i ask why you wish to use an 'a frame'? there are quite few brackets on the marked which are way safer. do you know that 9m is the highest you are legally allowed to use a fixed portable ladder too. 6m non fixed. do you know about the 'working at heights act 2005'? this covers all work at heights which can be above or below ground where their is a risk of death or injury from falls. perhaps a few pictures posted up to get some good advice from this forum.

[leapstallbuildings]

they are considered dangerous as an extension ladder has to have 4 points of contact. 'a' frame ladders by their nature only have 3 points of contact. the fact that it's a redevelopment means it comes under the health and safety at work act 1974. if you have iosh managing safely certificate and registration then you should already know all this. i certainly covered it on my 5 day course. 4th floor on an 'a frame' really???

It's pretty a pretty absurd regulation really.  Although they are few and far between, I have had a few jobs where an A- frame was the only way certain windows could be accessed.  Absolutely safe too - if you know what you are doing.  Just occasionally, an unusual house layout (usually an older property) means that you need to put a point onto an external angle as the onbly viable means of access.  Trust me - even WFP wouldn't have got the windows that I'm referring to.

[GWCS]

As far as i can see A Frames are not covered by the HSE website which is pretty p*ss poor. 

I cant see this 4 points of contact thingy either - just 3 for usage on the the ladder.

So if you can provide some further reading id appreciate it.

Otherwise i'll be onto the HSE on Monday.

[dave0123]

Dont get me wrong i like A frame ladders and i use a set of doubles myself on some places. But i would not want to go 8 or 9 meteres up high on them i would rarther stick to the standard trade ladder at that height. 

Of course all this height work is WFP now anyway for me.

[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

post a pic of the building on here and we can maybe give you some ideas as to the best way of getting it done,safely