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Platinum NW

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Round For Sale - North West New
« on: June 08, 2009, 08:00:59 am »
Window cleaning rounds for sale in St Helens.Covers surrounding areas such as Widnes and Newton with expansion plans with maps for Warrington.Establish for 6 years in prime location with good customers. 7 fortnightly rounds and 4 monthly rounds.
Takes around 4 days to complete with WFP adaption ready if needed as all customers welcome the change
Turnover = £36000 - £39000 per annum

Net Profit between £34000 - £36000

Ask for further details-Rounds now being sold individually

Prices of the rounds range from £400-£5500
Asking price for complete round - £21000
Genuine sensable offers considered

Please leave an email and contact information and i will get back to you as soon as possible:
dmj.guest@hotmail.co.uk


Due to good customer relations buyer must show the same commitment and enthusiasm as ourselves

Due to a number of interested parties asking me to sell rounds  individually due to banks not providing the funding i have now divided the rounds up into package deals

Package 1 - Turnover p/m £1420.50 - £10000

Package 2 - Turnover p/m £880 - £7000

Package 3 - Turnover p/m - £463 - £4000

Package 4 - Turnover p/m - £150 - £1000

Best Regards

Daniel Guest
Owner

Alistair@AWC

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Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2009, 10:17:27 am »
Daniel,

I'll give you 12k for the lot!

JandS

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Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2009, 01:05:34 pm »
28K    Your having a laugh aren't you.
I'd snap up the 12k offer now.
At the end of the day all your selling is good will.

John
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

andyatkinson

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Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2009, 03:27:18 pm »
£42 for £400! £400 for 4 £10.50 houses? sheesh

Moderator David@stives

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Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2009, 03:48:50 pm »
good luck if the guy can get it.

Dont you mean gross profit and not net.

net is after , fuel , insurance, materials /replacements, telephone etc

Rob_Mac

Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2009, 03:57:41 pm »
JandS

He is selling a round that has taken six years to build< Unlike carpet cleaning each customer is repeat cleans every month and ask any window cleaner - customers are very loyal (if they are not the window cleaner is doing something wrong!). Good will is not all he is selling. He is selling a business.

I sold a larger round than this last year and got the price I wanted and it was much higher than what he wants for this one.

If I lived up that way I would snap his hand off at 28k for 40k per year, that is a bargain.

Rob ;D

Platinum NW

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Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2009, 04:20:43 pm »
i have got plenty of interest so we are just now waiting on finance to fund the sale

Cheers Rob -normally you would expect to pay 1.5 times the turnover on any other business thats why i always feel sorry for window cleaners who under value their rounds-

The round is an asset and is worth what people are willing to pay for it as i regret turning down an offer for £35000 a few months ago

JandS

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Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2009, 06:21:31 pm »
Can't believe someone offered 35k for it, be cleaning it for a year before you start making profit.
Round here they typically go for 4x the full round value and the offer of 12k by Al S bears this out.
 
John
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2009, 07:22:13 pm »
28K    Your having a laugh aren't you.
I'd snap up the 12k offer now.
At the end of the day all your selling is good will.

John

Why has everyone got a hangup about "selling goodwill". If I was to purchase a Fish & Chip shop you would pay for an on-going business which would be assets plus % of annual profit. You are in effect buying goodwill, yes you get the assets on top but you pay extra for the "Business".

JandS

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Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2009, 07:29:43 pm »
Don't really matter what your selling the price is dictated by the going price.
See them in paper round here selling for 3 and 4 x there value so why would
somebody suddenly decide to pay 10 x when can pick them up for less in paper.
There's usually at least one a week for sale.
Will get one one night this week and check it out.

John
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2009, 09:20:26 pm »
Don't really matter what your selling the price is dictated by the going price.
See them in paper round here selling for 3 and 4 x there value so why would
somebody suddenly decide to pay 10 x when can pick them up for less in paper
.
There's usually at least one a week for sale.
Will get one one night this week and check it out.

John

Because the quality is probably much higher.


big J

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Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2009, 10:01:09 pm »
I would love it if a round was worth 10x value. but a question those of you that bought a round how many or the original customers were still on the books 6 or 12 months later.
Had the price been more reasonable I would have seriously considered buying itbut even then I would have concerns. One how many would i lose switching customers and to WFP and secondly with the greatest of respect to the residents of St Helens (I lived there for over 12 years) I would suspect that the indvidual houses are on the low side price wise. IE the cleaner who did my house in St Helens charged £5 (trad) whereas where I live now is at least double that. so it would take even longer than 10 months for a profit to be earned.
I have recently been offered a round at 4 to 7 x value depending on how much i bought.
I will be building a virgin round and who knows I coud get 10x value we will see....
modern day methods ......tradtional values

martinsadie

Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2009, 10:12:57 pm »
its funny how people are unwilling to pay the going rate for work,but later when theyve built a round up expect to sell at a going rate  ;D

big J

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Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2009, 10:20:08 pm »
buy cheap sell dear  ;D ;D ;D ;D
modern day methods ......tradtional values

JandS

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Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2009, 09:44:54 am »
And the going rate is??

" because the quality is PROBABLY much higher "

But who knows until you've bought it.

John
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Platinum NW

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Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2009, 08:23:03 am »
The work is higher standard but it has massive potential for growth
£3000 is reached in a 4 day week with me being mithered on the phone 24/7 with calls from my other business.
Anyone who can put in 8 hour days can easily get it done in 3.5 days

All sensable offers are being considered

big J

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Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2009, 09:40:51 am »
so what level is a sensible offer for this work
modern day methods ......tradtional values

EZclean

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Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2009, 11:50:51 am »
there is a reason why banks wont provide funding....

Bank manager: so what would you like the £30k business loan for Mr xxxx
Mr xxxx: er... a window cleaning round mate
Bank manager: what exactly will you be 'buying' for the £30k
Mr xxxx: er..... he might throw in some ladders, but he said everyone will
              go onto wfp
Bank manager: so essentially you will be puschasing £30k of 'good will' from
                         the existing customer base.... no equipment, no van,
                         no business premises? and from my experience Mr xxxx as a customer of a window cleaner, i didn't like this wfp method of cleaning windows, it left all the windows wet, and spotty so we sacked our regular reliable fully insured, window cleaner and got someone else... good day to you sir!


oh by the way Fish&Chip shops aren't businesses... they are Gold Mines
EZclean - Cleaner Than Water

Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2009, 12:32:17 pm »
there is a reason why banks wont provide funding....

Bank manager: so what would you like the £30k business loan for Mr xxxx
Mr xxxx: er... a window cleaning round mate
Bank manager: what exactly will you be 'buying' for the £30k
Mr xxxx: er..... he might throw in some ladders, but he said everyone will
              go onto wfp
Bank manager: so essentially you will be puschasing £30k of 'good will' from
                         the existing customer base.... no equipment, no van,
                         no business premises? and from my experience Mr xxxx as a customer of a window cleaner, i didn't like this wfp method of cleaning windows, it left all the windows wet, and spotty so we sacked our regular reliable fully insured, window cleaner and got someone else... good day to you sir!


oh by the way Fish&Chip shops aren't businesses... they are Gold Mines

Sure using this approach you will be lucky to get the time of day let alone any funding, however buying an established business is a different matter.

After Due diligence has been completed and reported on and with a business plan completed plus the legal side put in order by a lawyer, then, presenting for funding to a bank is a completely different prospect.

I'm surprised that many Window Cleaners on here don't realise that their business is also a gold mine. Sadly some would talk to their bank manager like the chump above, probably walking in wearing jeans and a T-shirt and wonder why they are not taken seriously.

A business that turns £30k that could be serviced by 1 staff member should return a profit of at least 25% per year. A business owner then can expand while the actual work is completed by others.

I understand that for most window cleaning is a "means to an end" but it also has high ROI which when tapped into can result in a great income. 

And the going rate is??

" because the quality is PROBABLY much higher "

But who knows until you've bought it.

John

What sort of fool would buy anything blind, of course you would go through the accounts with a fine tooth comb, you would check out everything before you spend, plus you would have some legal documents drawn up.

This is not 2 guys down the pub trying to offload half a dozen customers he doesn't want.
If this was my sale I would sell it as a full business package. Work, Vehicles, equipment, company name, everything, the whole 9 yards. Even if it meant getting fresh signage.

big J

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Re: Round For Sale - North West
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2009, 01:02:13 pm »
This point about good approach to the bank is very vaild. I have no good will van or equipment but i do have a very strong business plan on which the bank even in these troubled economic times is prepared to lend a 5 figure some of money on an  unsecured basis . Two banks atually said my figures were borderline too conservative. However with buying a going concern that is largely goodwill then a realistic level of expectation has to be maintained. I  belive that each industry has it own level of intrinsic vale as demonstrated in eariler posts and accordingly
value is linked to the industry. Had the accepted value  been 1 x, 5 time or 100 times the round value then that is the level of investment expected as a rule of thumb. in this case the vendors have dropped price at least twice and are now open to offers. this is indicative of the fact that for good or bad that the original price especially now was a little ambitious to say the least
Also the best bit of advice i was ever given was buy cheap sell dear haggle and be realistic.
modern day methods ......tradtional values