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Jamie James

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Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« on: April 23, 2009, 10:38:20 pm »
Guys

thought you may find this helpful and I wanted to share it.

2 days again had accident with some wood dye from damp carpet, well had nothing to lose so tried Rust and Iron mould remover.
Well what a result just disappeared, rinsed through and extracted custy very happy.

Job done, hope this helps any one.
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Joe H

Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2009, 06:49:36 am »
Thanks for info.

robert meldrum

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Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2009, 07:21:11 am »
Where is this product from don't recognise the description ?

tony harrison

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Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2009, 08:27:57 am »
Sounds that it may have been rust from the metal studs on the chair legs.

Tony

clinton

Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2009, 08:49:39 am »
Good new all round then as it could have been a prob :)

JandS

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Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2009, 09:57:55 am »
Why would varnish or wood dye transfer to an ever so slightly damp carpet?
The bottoms of most wooden feet or legs on furniture don't even have a coat of varnish or dye applied.
Surely the dye or varnish is well set and aint varnish waterproof anyway?
And yes I sometimes do use those foil squares, was just using them yesterday when I thought why am I doing this.

John
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gwrightson

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Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2009, 01:04:01 pm »


All I can say John is, You have been very fortunate if you are not placing tabs under all furniture, you are tempting fate,

even a few seconds on a damp carpet can draw out stain onto the fibres, and metal studs will leave a rust mark, a little easier to remove mind.

Geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

Jamie James

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Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2009, 03:04:57 pm »
Robert you can get the product from Craftex, they are based in Taunton and have a wide range of products. 01823 332696

However I'm sure that what ever company you use do some thing similar.

Cheers Jamie
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John Kelly

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Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2009, 04:02:55 pm »
John you must protect every leg. Even bare wood can be affected by moisture and end up leaving tannin stains on the fibres. Some furniture especially from the far east has water soluble varnish, especially the mahogony types. This comes off like wet paint and although quite easy to remove whilst still wet can sometimes be impossible to remove completely if it has dried out.

C A Payne

Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2009, 05:18:54 pm »
i've found that myself, craftex rust remover is a very good wood dye remover, esp on 80/20's, reverse the ph though cause its ph1... its very effective on blood aswell :o charlie

derek west

Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2009, 05:45:35 pm »
, reverse the ph though cause its ph1...
can you explain what you mean by reverse the ph please? and how?
derek

murky

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Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2009, 05:59:08 pm »
Wood dye is transfered from the leg end because the wood is sawn, ie rough, the side of it is planed and smooth.

Most dyed wood is spray treated with a poly(something) to seal it in. Its not treated on the base so the dye is still there, lurking and not sealed in, until there is a little moisture and away it goes down onto your damp carpet.

Murky

Jamie James

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Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2009, 07:44:33 pm »
Hi Derek

If you have a ph of 1 you need to neutralise it with a alkaline to bring it back to around a ph of 7 which is neutral balance.
you cant leave it with a really low or high ph, fibre fresh rinse is good.

Hope this helps

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derek west

Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2009, 07:55:45 pm »
isn't sulphuric acid ph 1?
derek

derek west

Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2009, 08:03:53 pm »
surely to reverse sulphuric acid you'd have to buy a new carpet?
derek

C A Payne

Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2009, 09:01:46 pm »
derek, the craftex rust remover works really well,(pretest first) after application flush with water thoroughly & neutralize as jamie said... carpet are mainly very durable & are mainly heat & dye set at very high temperatures.... a sleepers derv maaa charlieaaaam!!! ;D   

C A Payne

Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2009, 09:08:49 pm »
soz about that end bit, i don't know what happened there? i ment to say derek... "a sleeper's derv maaaam!" charlie ;D

Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2009, 09:16:40 pm »
isn't sulphuric acid ph 1?

Yes it is, but I think it's about % of strength in the same way as you can get different strengths of peroxide etc.
From memory neat sulphuric acid is H2SO4 but if you added a load of water to it (more H2O) then the formula would slightly change, but it would maintain being ph1

derek west

Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2009, 09:43:59 pm »
neil
whoooooosh!
but thanks. ;)
derek

Jamie James

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Re: Removal of Varnish or wood dye
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2009, 09:53:59 pm »
You are right Neil, I add water to the stain first then add acid stain should change immediately rinse throught extract.
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