[d s windowcleaning]

i seem to be coming across a few of these and the customers reckon its since ive been using wfp that the problems have started . could it really be wfp thats causing the seals to blow ?

[Sir Squeaky]

Probably.

I've had quite a few customers complain about leaks.

The WFP supporters will be here in a minute saying "Noooooo, i can't do that!"

[ftp]

I wonder if smacking your brush in the center of a large pane and scrubbing like mad to get bird poo off might not be good for the seals.

[williamx]

When double glazing is made in the factory they clean it by using pure water, do you think they would do this if it rotted the seals.

Seals break down for many reasons and pure water is not the cause.

[NWH]

If any customer says to me you`ve blown 1 of my double glazed units or you`ve rotted my paintwork i say is it just 1 or has the whole house got the problem,what`s the chances of it being you if it`s just the 1.I would say the chances of it being your fault are very slim unless the rubber seals have completley perrished and the actual glass double glazed unit is split from the bottom in the center,only this would cause the water to collect at the bottom of the unit and enter the 2 panes of glass causing it to mist up from the bottom up.

[Niall McAllister]

I find I get most complaints when I club the seals  :

[tomy jackson]

no you dosy sods it not he ruber , the two panes of glass are glued to geter and its that that fails ,thay only have a serton life span and that is manly downtwo qoilty of the the dubull glazing

[NWH]

Doh Tomy what did i say in my post lol.

[tomy jackson]

thers no moor blown seals now than ther wos when i wos trad ,

[Lee Pryor]

When double glazing is made in the factory they clean it by using pure water, do you think they would do this if it rotted the seals.

Seals break down for many reasons and pure water is not the cause.

this is absolutly right. we have had this from customers and its rubish, seals go due to hot and cold weather over time causing expanding and contracting thats it.

the public always seem to be afraid of things they dont understand, blown sealed units can be replaced quite cheaply.

[AuRavelling79]

Probably.

I've had quite a few customers complain about leaks.

The WFP supporters will be here in a minute saying "Noooooo, i can't do that!"

 :

It's your technique Squeaks - be more gentle with that brush!

[Londoner]

Sealed units have a limited life. The way they are designed means they will all go eventually. The glass has to be able to move to allow expansion and contraction. Over time this microscopic movement wears the rubber seal which has also probably hardened with age.

Windows have to be weatherproof. A little brush isn't going to do anything. Just imagine the forces on a big window during a stormy night. Wind, more than rain, damages the seals.

Windows facing the sun go quicker.

Replacement units are very cheap and if you know how you can make a good business out of replacing them for people.

[tomy jackson]

ruber agane no no no no no no no no no no no ,thay dont use ruber on the two bits of glass , when ther still under garente the companys tell the custy its the man with a stik that didet as a get out .had one custy told that on kicen window the w****r , he sade you pushed to hard on the window , so i sad com and look at the the bathroom window 12" by 7" top opener , did i push two hard on that as well , when one blows the outhers are not far be hind espesualy on the suny side

[weetot]

eh!

[weetot]

Are yeh I get it now!.............I think

[leapstallbuildings]

If a seal is OK then WFP ought not cause a problem.
Don't know if it's my imagination but does anyone else here feel that double glazed wooden units might be more vulnerable than UPVC ones?  I'm wondering if wood expands and contracts more than UPVC.

[Spruce]

Hi
I have noticed that a blown window can appear worse after I have cleaned it, probably due to the cold water cooling the glass and the airgap in between which causes condensation inside to reform.  As the air between the panes warms up in the sun, the air is able to hold more moisture and their windows seem drier.
IMO the south facing windows seem to be more prone to be the first to fail as they take the brunt of daily temperature changes.

We live in a domer ourselves and the south facing windows upstairs have all blown, whereas the north facing windows are all fine. The windows are identical in size and design and were fitted at the same time. They are about 15 years old. They had never been cleaned WFP until about 3 years ago and were like that before then, so WFP had nothing to do with it at all.
Spruce

[macmac]

I have noticed that a blown window can appear worse after I have cleaned it, probably due to the cold water cooling the glass and the airgap in between which causes condensation inside to reform.  As the air between the panes warms up in the sun,

Spot on. wfp doesn't break the seal just makes an already blown seal look worse!!

[d s windowcleaning]

so how do you convice the customers that wfp wont blow the seal ? im being threatend with legal action after a doble glazing firm have said its as a result of me using wfp .

[michael papworth]

so how do you convice the customers that wfp wont blow the seal ? im being threatend with legal action after a doble glazing firm have said its as a result of me using wfp .

Fine, see you in court with your proof!

They would need to prove that a statistically significantly greater number of DG units cleaned with wfp get misted than those not cleaned with wfp.

I think that would be impossible to prove.

If it's misted, it's because the desiccant in the bottom section of the spacers has become saturated with moisture due to leaky seals. There's no other reason. How could this possibly be caused by pure water alone?