[Slash]

I have been WFP almost 3 years now and am getting some complaints about condensation between double glazing windows,they complain thats it's the WFP breaking the seal and causing the windows to be cloudy within the double glazing,two of my own windows have this problem but I use a Vikan brush, not a wire one!

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

Some customers would blame WFP for global warming if they could.

[Tosh]

Personally, I don't think it's likely that you're to blame.

Double glazing doesn't last for ever and the quality of the units may differ.

How old are the units with the blown seals?  I bet they're about 15 years old.

Point them in the direction of your local 'Window Doctor'; I've heard they're good (you can find them in the Yellow Pages).  They'll remove the window, clean it up, replace the seals and put the window back in.

[simon knight]

There is now going to be storm of protests saying that wfp doesn't do this..."what about when it rains"? will surely be one of the catch-phrases :

Thing is that too many customers (and they're not ALL stupid) seem to be saying that the sudden deluge of water along with a scrubbing action is causing problems with the seal.

We all know that the actual seal is buried within the window frame so that technically the wfp water/scrubbing action shouldn't get anywhere near it to do damage. However I do windows that have never been wfp'ed and they also have condensation to the point of almost being frosted glass so water does eventually get to the seal and degrade it.  Maybe wfp just speeds up this process.

[ccmids]

cheap windows

[Dave Turley]

several houses I do have this problem.

lot's of them already had these problems before I started cleaning their houses.

the way I see it is this:

there is no way a bit of pure water will CAUSE damage a seal on a dg unit.

however, if the seal is on it's way out or already blown, having more water in the area of the blown seal (albeit once a month or whatever), will probably cause the SYMPTOMS to become apparent more quickly than if the window was not cleaned wfp.

[GWCS]

Personally, I don't think it's likely that you're to blame.

Double glazing doesn't last for ever and the quality of the units may differ.

How old are the units with the blown seals?  I bet they're about 15 years old.

Point them in the direction of your local 'Window Doctor'; I've heard they're good (you can find them in the Yellow Pages).  They'll remove the window, clean it up, replace the seals and put the window back in.

exactly, ask them how long the guarantee was for? i bet its long past it.. nothing is made to last these days. just looking at you as an excuse and to probably pay via your insurance cover.. which wont be covered anyway..

[pjulk]

Traditional window cleaners come across this also.

They are trying it on.

[sf]

im trad and come across this all the time. on windows that have never been cleaned wfp.wouldnt say your to blame.just a case of seals breaking down over time.

[kris martin]

one o my custys windows have gone after 6 months, a downstairs window that i have cleaned trad 5 times since she has had them in, windows that dont get cleaned also do this...

[weetot]

The units knackered mate tell them to ^%£$"!(*!!!!

[simon knight]

one o my custys windows have gone after 6 months, a downstairs window that i have cleaned trad 5 times since she has had them in, windows that dont get cleaned also do this...

This is a good marketing ploy to get 'em to be more regular...speak!...tell me more...please!

[gerard mcmanus]

I am trad and I have some customers that have this on there window, it is the seal that is broken on the double glazing and allowing air to flow between the pains causing condensation as the cold air hits the warm glass, or vice versa. Unless the brush is breaking the seal but this is unlikely.

[simon knight]

I am trad and I have some customers that have this on there window, it is the seal that is broken on the double glazing and allowing air to flow between the pains causing condensation as the cold air hits the warm glass, or vice versa. Unless the brush is breaking the seal but this is unlikely.

The brush can't break the seal as the seal is buried in the frame. On veluxes it's a drop of moisture gets in and the sun heats the water up...becomes steam....condensation!

[simp]

The upvc frame surrounding the glass unit has a concealed drain which is routed into the plastic, so even if pure or rain water gets in it should drain away automatically.

[FREEMANSCLEANING]

mmmmmmmmmmm how many windows have " gone misty" ? all off them if its down to you huh ?

most of the old double glazed windows contain a silica gel........moisture passes thru both panes of glass all of the time but if cheap windows have been installed as soon as the silica gel breaks down it cannot absorb anyore moisture........

but tell the cutomer if its you then ALL their windows would be misty wouldnt they? if they are still not happy let them get in touch with your insurer because theres no way on this planet your insurer  would say your to blame because they would ask window installing companys to tell them why they have broke down..... ..also remember how long water fed poles have been around and how many water treatment companys sell the systems im sure they have done their homework and testing to find that if water fed poles did cause this problem surely they wouldnt be selling them?

[john tomkins]

The upvc frame surrounding the glass unit has a concealed drain which is routed into the plastic, so even if pure or rain water gets in it should drain away automatically.

Thats one of the problems there.....
Some fitters leave out/can't be bothered to fit the packers that lift the glass unit above the drain, this results in the bottom of the glass unit being regularly wet and greatly increasing condensation problems. So its them not us

[Justen Uff]

we live in on a very wet island

[Tosh]

Our own house windows are PVC and get washed about twice-a-month (I know I know; it's Wor Lass's fault; she makes me), and they're fine; no problems; they're about 3 years old.

But I've been told that double glazed units only have a life expectancy of 15 to 20 years.

[Pj]

Even the very best sealed unit part will only ever have a maximum of 10 year warranty