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Poll

In your experience does wfp cause wooden frames and sills to rot more quickly?

No
45.7%
21 (45.7%)
Possibly
23.9%
11 (23.9%)
A little
13%
6 (13%)
Yes
17.4%
8 (17.4%)

Total Members Voted: 45

dd

  • Posts: 2623
wfp and wooden frames
« on: March 21, 2009, 06:02:41 pm »
Prefer answers from experience of using wfp rather than theories.

I use wfp on wooden windows and this issue concerns me.

pingu

Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2009, 07:05:47 pm »
Ok...here in Holland (south) upvc windows are not that popular and most single and double glazed units are wooden framed...I have upon observation noticed nothing to suggest quick rotting but with that said...I have only been wfp for around 2,5years...so maybe this is not long enough to really make a call.

I suppose it is easier to damage the wood work with the brush/brush edge and as such I 'guess' water could then penetrate to the underlying wood.

Cheers
Dave.

jonisondell

Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2009, 08:10:59 pm »
i always wear toxic protective gloves when using my pole, else it will dissolve your fingers, it melts car paint, and burnes holes in cloths, i would never use it on wooden or metal frames , handle with caution!

Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2009, 08:13:12 pm »
i always wear toxic protective gloves when using my pole, else it will dissolve your fingers, it melts car paint, and burnes holes in cloths, i would never use it on wooden or metal frames , handle with caution!

I trust you are being ironic...

Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2009, 08:15:41 pm »
Given that it pees it down most weeks in this country, I think a once monthly soaking won't make any real difference.
If there is flaky paint on badly maintained windows it will dislodge it.

I know it's pure water, but once it's been on the windows/frames it's no purer than rain apart from the rinse of course.


Feen

  • Posts: 562
Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2009, 08:16:26 pm »
I don't want to sound too negative with my reply, but here goes ;D How can you possibly know the answer unless you wfp a window for 5 years say and cleaned the same one next to it trad for 5 years.  
Feen

Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2009, 08:19:35 pm »
This is so annoying- another newbie starting another negative rumour that will be passed around and come nack to us as a fact from customers.

No it doesn't rot wood.A right little ray of sunshine you are. What was your last job, PR at Ratners?

jonisondell

Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2009, 08:21:18 pm »
bovis the homebuilders did a laboritory test on this, and thats why they only fit upvc windows to their new builds.

Bobs Window Cleaning

  • Posts: 1257
Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2009, 08:23:35 pm »
I dont think it makes much difference. As you  brush against the wood, you will probably brush off little bits of varnish which leaves bare wood but then again you would do the same even if you were trad.

bob
Why oh Why did he spell my name as bod & not bob on my wedding invites.

Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2009, 08:25:46 pm »
I don't want to sound too negative with my reply, but here goes ;D How can you possibly know the answer unless you wfp a window for 5 years say and cleaned the same one next to it trad for 5 years.  
Have been cleaning wooden windows wfp for 6 years. One of my custies for 5, the windows look the same as the ones at next door neighbours...

Never had any problems, I think the people who most knock WFP are those too skint or too scared to do it. No offence but I think that's true

Skyglide

  • Posts: 198
Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2009, 04:27:15 pm »
Don't know about WFP rotting the wood, but it definately affects wood stain, varnish and paint. All deteriorate faster when WFP is used on them.  Added to that if you get operators who use loads and loads of water on them with 100 psi pumps the glass units are liable to mist up.

We only use Trad on wooden windows.

Mike 108

  • Posts: 650
Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2009, 05:12:13 pm »
Added to that if you get operators who use loads and loads of water on them with 100 psi pumps the glass units are liable to mist up.


Why are they?  The units are (supposed to be) sealed, and are usually guaranteed for 5 years.

jonisondell

Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2009, 05:18:21 pm »
pure water is thiner than normal water it gets through smaller gaps and steams up the window

Mike 108

  • Posts: 650
Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2009, 05:20:16 pm »
 ;D ;D ;D 

craig b

Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2009, 05:21:19 pm »
out your arse comes to mind....

jonisondell

Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2009, 06:01:16 pm »
at 25dc  viscosity [Pa·s]  [cP]
tap water             8.94 × 10−4 0.894
pure water           8.74 × 10−4 0.862     
   

EZclean

  • Posts: 857
Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2009, 06:54:05 pm »
thats miniscule difference, not enough to even call it thinner even though it is by them figures
EZclean - Cleaner Than Water

jonisondell

Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2009, 07:02:19 pm »
it is a lot thinner due to all the impurities taken out

Feen

  • Posts: 562
Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2009, 07:41:53 pm »
I don't want to sound too negative with my reply, but here goes ;D How can you possibly know the answer unless you wfp a window for 5 years say and cleaned the same one next to it trad for 5 years.  
Have been cleaning wooden windows wfp for 6 years. One of my custies for 5, the windows look the same as the ones at next door neighbours...

Never had any problems, I think the people who most knock WFP are those too skint or too scared to do it. No offence but I think that's true
Sparklebright, I think you misunderstood my point. You'd need to make a direct comparison for a long time, which no-one with a life would do, so the whole question is pointless. BTW I wfp any windows if it suits me and does the job.
Feen

jonisondell

Re: wfp and wooden frames
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2009, 08:01:03 pm »
be careful on the aluminum ones ive heard they corrode quicker using pure