[gerard mcmanus]

hate is a very harsh word, I will always believe in a competitive market and welcome anyone to the business, in fact if anyone is starting out in Inverclyde I you can e-mail me and I will give any advice and help I can, spend the day with me if you like to see what it is really like.

id be interested, im not in inverclyde, but not that far away either, looked for a contact addy/pm but you dont appear to have one

Check you e-mail GTR

[Chameleon]

As for newbies on here asking daft arsed questions just laugh at it, and help the ones that appear worth helping.

Oh dear.. that makes me feel awful!  I'm totally serious about starting up but i'm gonna have a bundle daft questions to ask 

Ask as many questions as you like... that's the whole idea of a forum!

A note to all Newbie hater's (sorry dislikers!) those that don't wish to answer don't have too!

[takeone]

Cheers Chameleon, Nice to know still some decent folk out there. I'm sure the haters (sorry 'dislikers') are in the minority.

Now...prepare for the onslaught of 'daft' questions coming soon... 

[johns window kleen]

Just to clarify for you I am not a hater or even a disliker of Newbies.
We all had to start somewhere, and fortunately my dad was a W/C, and I knew many and trained with some before I started out on my own, so I had advice at hand and didnt have to rely on the forum.

I did not mean to make you feel bad with what I said personally. I will clarify what I meant if you like, I get a little irritated with the new ones who don't appear to do any research whatsoever before they ask questions, if you look back you will find some examples. Some even ask what they should charge and post a picture of a house.
 So they want to be in a business and they havent worked out what their own pricing structure is!!!

The trouble is not with genuine business minded new starters its the really cheap poaching dole boy types. The guy who posted this thread has obviously been affected by these types, so naturally I will sympathise with him.

If you are serious, and do a bit of homework then I would willingly help you.
Ok so dont take offence.
Maybe my use of the term "daft arsed question" was not appropriate and just too general.

[windowcleaninginessex.co.uk]

I have been a window cleaner for nearly 20 years now, happy with what i do,  i  make a good living out if it.

But for some reason if i lost all my work ( pray i don't ) and could not pay my bills and keep my family happy, I would go out and do any job what so ever to pay the bills

Even if it means under cutting someone and taking there work, as long as i keep my house and family happy. I believe they say something like dog eat dog...

So what if we get newbies, i really think we would all do the same if we had no work.

LEAVE THE NEWBIES ALONE

[reflection]

ok sorry everyone maybe newbie was the wrong word to use i think we all know by now the type of people i ment so to every decent newbie dont take offence and good luck in your business

think thats a good point actually darren but it doesnt stop me getting angry when it happens to me

[windowcleaninginessex.co.uk]

ok sorry everyone maybe newbie was the wrong word to use i think we all know by now the type of people i ment so to every decent newbie dont take offence and good luck in your business

think thats a good point actually darren but it doesnt stop me getting angry when it happens to me

It takes a man to admit they were wrong, well said.

The ones i hate are the ones still getting a dole cheque ( if they still pay it that way ) , get everything paid for by the state ( us ) and don't pay any tax.

Then they can give cheaper prices because they don't have the overheads like us.

[soapy]

Yeah right on!! One of my customers had 7 window cleaning leaflets in a month.
That doesn't help when you want to put up your prices in April or Jan.
Newbies are not great for business

[takeone]

I don't think it is "newbies" that are the problem, its "cowboys" and "doleboys" that I don't like

Well said!

I'm a 'newbie' (Jeez, that sounds like 'teletubbie' or something) but i'm 100% serious in starting up.

I won't be signing on, I will be insured and I won't uncut others to snatch work. I'll set my prices and stick to them.

One thing is for sure, if i'm to by supplies, pay tax, run a van, cover my holidays, pay my insurances etc etc, then i won't be cleaning 3/4 bed houses for a fiver!  I couldnt afford too. So straight away, even as a 'newbie', i'm gonna hate the dole drawing, beer money, £5 per house bandits too...

[tomy jackson]

takeone thers a beter looking cat in the sun to day lol

[windowcleaninginessex.co.uk]

Yeah right on!! One of my customers had 7 window cleaning leaflets in a month.
That doesn't help when you want to put up your prices in April or Jan.
Newbies are not great for business

Not sure about putting prices up this year, might be  mistake.

I put up  my prices beginning of last year, before the credit crunch was in the papers and news , I think you might be better waiting a little bit longer or risk losing some work...

[takeone]

If you go the traditional route, take care, ladder use is something that takes years to get right, and thats when it gets really dangerous!!

No worries there, I done ladder work for many years fitting Satelite dishes for SKY. I did all the training etc, however I do ultimately want to go WFP with it all where possible...

[takeone]

takeone thers a beter looking cat in the sun to day lol

Yea, I saw the sorry looking thing     

..It reminded me of the Mrs...