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Goldfinch PCS

  • Posts: 134
True or False?
« on: January 12, 2009, 02:46:13 pm »
There is no such thing as dry cleaning!

Two systems - Wet Clean and Low Moisture Clean

Lets hear the opinions of all you Professionals, because someone saw this on my site and said it was incorrect. I take the opinion that if moisture is involved then it's not dry and in our field moisture is always involved so we can't dry clean.
Goldfinch PCS
0800 612 9244
LTT PROmite(Altec) Member of - IICRC
www.goldfinchpcs.co.uk

Mike Halliday

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2009, 02:51:03 pm »
vacuuming is dry cleaning

dry cleaning using solvents is dry cleaning.

so you're wrong

Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Barry Livingstone

  • Posts: 646
Re: True or False?
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2009, 03:17:37 pm »
The Guys that use the HOST system will say there is..... :o :o
Carpet, Upholstery cleaning & hard floor cleaning.
                     Fife, perth and tayside.

Ken Wainwright

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2009, 03:35:15 pm »
Define the word DRY

If it's solvent cleaning, there isn't a word that means WET SOLVENT as there is with sry when refering to water.

Dry cleaning could also mean that the the carpet is DRY upon completion of the cleaning process and available for immediate use.

There are occasions when I will use the term SEMI-DRY when I am refering to LM cleaning.

ChemDry don't dry clean carpets with their branded systems.

Dry Fusion don't dry clean carpets with there branded system.

But the word dry means different things to different people. Carpets, upholstery and even laundry can be DRY but still require airing, so they're not truly dry.

My wool carpet in my lounge hasn't been cleaned for about 6 months, but it will still have a significant moisture content.

So back to my opening line,  what is DRY?

Safe and happy drying :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!


Mike Halliday

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2009, 03:51:40 pm »
but Rob you've only googled half of what he said, he said dry 'cleaning' the definition of dry by its self is misleading when not followed by cleaning
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk


JandS

  • Posts: 4327
Re: True or False?
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2009, 05:03:21 pm »
It was the spelling that I was referring to, it says on your site.

There is no such think as dry cleaning          think instead of thing

John

Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Jim_77

Re: True or False?
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2009, 05:08:52 pm »
DUHHHH!

Doug Holloway

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2009, 05:47:39 pm »
Hi Guys

Every carpet will contain moisture so is never dry, typically 10% if I remember back to my lab days.

HWE is wetter than Low Moisture  which is wetter than Dry Granule but none are completly dry, as Mike says only vacuuming will not add any water. In practice I believe Granule can be called Dry, Tex/Dry Fusion is low moisture and HWE is wet, but a TM will extract so much water as to leave many carpets as dry as LM, confused ?!

Cheers

Doug

Goldfinch PCS

  • Posts: 134
Re: True or False?
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2009, 06:46:08 pm »
So Ken, with all your experience and I hold utmost respect for that, how would you explain or describe dry or what would you call dry cleaning? I have heard the opinions of Paul Pearce, Pawlo Woloszyn and others so what's you take?

Other Views
Vacuuming is a dry clean, yes to a point but is it total clean or is it part of a total cleaning process?

We don't say dry vacuum, and we call the machine vacuum cleaner not dry cleaner. Dusting with a dry cloth, broom or duster flick is dry cleaning.

However, from a Carpet and Upholstery Cleaners' point of view is there such a thing as Dry Cleaning?
Goldfinch PCS
0800 612 9244
LTT PROmite(Altec) Member of - IICRC
www.goldfinchpcs.co.uk

Goldfinch PCS

  • Posts: 134
Re: True or False?
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2009, 06:48:47 pm »
Thanks for pointing that error out John.
Goldfinch PCS
0800 612 9244
LTT PROmite(Altec) Member of - IICRC
www.goldfinchpcs.co.uk

robert meldrum

  • Posts: 1984
Re: True or False?
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2009, 07:43:16 pm »
There are a few others

Ken Wainwright

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2009, 07:46:06 pm »
For me, dry will be used as relevant to the context it is being used.  I will normally only use the term Dry Cleaning in the context of waterless solvent extraction cleaning. But there again, plant dry cleaners will include water in their drums, hence the disclaimers for shrinkage of curtains and garments! And I'm more likely to use dry wet dry on the rare occasions I need to solvent clean.

I will often refer to vacuuming as the dry extraction process (a bit of Keith Nicolson that has rubbed off on me ;) ) then there's dry compound (VLM) cleaning such as Envirodri and Host, and as I said earlier, I sometimes refer to LM as semi-dry cleaning.

Safe and happy (dry) cleaning :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

derek west

Re: True or False?
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2009, 07:51:28 pm »
lets cut to the chase.
the answer to the question is false.
there is such thing as dry cleaning.


derek

Doug Holloway

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2009, 07:59:13 pm »
Hi Guys

It all  depends on whether you want to see this im marketing terms or technical

As it's a website aimed at customers it's obviously marketing.

Cheers

Doug

True dry cleaning would be ultrasound in a dessicator  ;)

The Great One

  • Posts: 12722
Re: True or False?
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2009, 08:11:14 am »
Hi

Being a solely EnviroDri CC, I advertise myself as a Dry CC, but obviously I use a prespray which dampens the carpet and the sponges are moist.

Although I am a LM CC, I am dry compared to the HWE guys. Both Host and EnviroDri are advertised as dry.

Regards

Martin 8)

Derek_Walker

  • Posts: 454
Re: True or False?
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2009, 08:30:59 am »
As Mike pointed out Dry cleaning would normally be classed as solvent cleaning.
I guess you could always quote the fact that all the dry cleaning shops are in theory misleading.
The closest you are going to get to dry is granules.

I guess any system could be called dry if it is dry before you leave, as in the use of forced air blowers etc.

Goldfinch PCS

  • Posts: 134
Re: True or False?
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2009, 09:43:22 pm »
That is a good point Mr Walker.

So i guess it's how you leave the carpet and not the system/method used, INTERESTING!
Goldfinch PCS
0800 612 9244
LTT PROmite(Altec) Member of - IICRC
www.goldfinchpcs.co.uk

Joe H

Re: True or False?
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2009, 07:06:47 am »
I guess any system could be called dry if it is dry before you leave, as in the use of forced air blowers etc.

Thats why Martin can call the Envirodri granule system he uses as dry cleaning.
You wait for the granules to dry so you can vacuum them up with a conventional dry vac cleaner ie Sebo BS36.
Of course there is a franchise called Bone Dry that uses the Host system, but other granules are available as well.