[mikethechamois]

brilliant !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why didnt i think of that

selling fresh air at $99 a time     

[craig b]

     message if anybody interested...


            http://cleanitup.s3.amazonaws.com/farewell/index.htm

[Oakley Windows]

Thats disgraceful.

[craig b]

a little warning would have been fine...he would have been a good person to have a round..like him or not

[AuRavelling79]

That's a shame ... he had some good ideas.

I suppose those on here that were "debating" with him feel that the rug has ben pulled from underneath them too.

[mikethechamois]

hi craig

can you pass a message to the coach from me please

im sorry you were banned, i had no part in it and would have preffered it if you were still on here

in your message you stated you had only argued back that we were wrong.

unfortunatly thats not the case, in  place of argument whch would have been fine, i love a good argument. you resorted to offensive remarks

fortunatly neither myself or hydro lowered ourselves or we would probably be banned too

I hope you accept this message in the way its meant. just pointing out your mistake , not as an attack.

i hope this ban is temporary and we will see you back in the future

best of luck mike

[Oakley Windows]

I didnt agree with him in many things at all, but he did have a good deal to offer, and, hey! he was a nice guy.

Its not like he was obnoxious, rude, swore or insulted; which is tolerated quite openly on here!

Guess it shows its all down to money AGAIN!

[Oakley Windows]

Mike, e-mail him from his website 

[Neil Williams]

Mike, e-mail him from his website 

Or, he is still open for debate on CP's
Not banned on there yet.

[wightsurf]

Whats CPs ?

[williamx]

Censorship is never right, and I don't think that he was banned for what he did or didn't say.

I do not know the reason he was banned but from what he said about "advertising costs", maybe it was because he was a suppiler and mike has said, if suppliers who are peddling their wears on cleanituo then they have to pay for the priviledge.

As many of you are aware, I am not a big supporter of the coach, mainly because his views on marketing window cleaning is in my opinion flawed for the UK market.

I believe very strongly in good marketing practices, but I also belive that if you need this type of help where you have to pay a lot of money for, then you should go to an expert.

An expert at marketing is someone whos' career revolves around it, not someone who was a window cleaner, then saw an opening to make a few bucks, out of fellow window cleaners.

He kept going on about the book he had written, well writing a 218 sales booklet is no problem, everyone on here could do it.

At every opportunity he kept saying how "awesome" it was and how its going to make you all rich.

Well if he had written a "holy grail" book on marketing then what about his peers in the marketing field, how come they haven't acclaimed it as the best marketing ook of all time or even a good effort from a "newbie.

I dare say that there was some ideas and methods that would be useful, but I also know that you can get the same or even better information, free of charge and more relivant for the uk market.

If you need a one to one advice then I would reccomend that you go to a marketing company, because they will be able to target you needs on how you operate your company and what you want, not some pieces of information that will have no effect on your business.

And the last words from the coach was to called the people responsable for him being removed as "children" is this a professional response form a "marketing genius".


The members on this forum have between them enough marketing ideas that are a benefit to uk window cleaners and if you asked for help they would as usual come forward.

 


 

[wightsurf]

thanks Matt.

[wightsurf]

I must be doing something right as i'm picking up commercial work. But i have a direct approach , i go to them works for me 

[Oakley Windows]

thanks Matt.

Ill delete it or ill get banned 

[wightsurf]

 

[williamx]

If you need a one to one advice then I would reccomend that you go to a marketing company, because they will be able to target you needs on how you operate your company and what you want, not some pieces of information that will have no effect on your business.


The members on this forum have between them enough marketing ideas that are a benefit to uk window cleaners and if you asked for help they would as usual come forward.

 


 

If you need a one to one advice then I would reccomend that you go to a marketing company, because they will be able to target you needs on how you operate your company and what you want, not some pieces of information that will have no effect on your business.

Most on here struggle to buy kit let alone employ a marketing company. No offense but marketing companies do charge a lot more hourly then the average window cleaner

The members on this forum have between them enough marketing ideas that are a benefit to uk window cleaners and if you asked for help they would as usual come forward.

That may be so on the residential side, but not many window cleaners manage to acquire commercial work and this is usually due to poor marketing skills. Also those with some tried and tested commercial marketing skills usually keep quiet - I know I do

Yes marketing can be very very expensive just ask coke and virgin, but they also do smaller campaigns which do run into the hundreds, about the same as the coach was charging, but I can say that what you pay out will come back 10 fold.

Well I have and will always be of help, just picked up another £1000 commercial contact today, I must be doing something right.

Another piece of advice, building you business into a very sucessful business takes time, it like gardening, you plant the seeds, you weed and water them as they gro and you then wait for harvest time to come, well a business is the same, you so (this is getting you name out into the marketplace) you weed and water ( this is pricing at the maximum you can get and getting rid of them of the customers who are not for your company) bringing in the harvest, (is when you are known in the market place and more and more contracts comes to you)

[Neil Williams]

This is nothing personal about the two named examples I'm about to mention but I think we all know what Alex Gardiner and Glyn Howard do, yet they are allowed to post on items here that have some bearing on advertising their own products. And there are others too.
As far as I know the sponsors of this site don't sell the sort of product/service that Mr Dubrosky does yet it's construed as some sort of competiton obviously.
If you're going to ban people like this then you might as well ban everyone who has the cheek to advertise themselves via the links at the bottom of each post.

I do not know the reason he was banned but from what he said about "advertising costs", maybe it was because he was a suppiler and mike has said, if suppliers who are peddling their wears on cleanituo then they have to pay for the priviledge.

[Nathanael Jones]

I'm shocked,... I can see why Alex Gardiner has been warned off advertising as he sells some products that are in direct competition to express cleaning's products,... but the coach wasn't treading on anyones toes here. To be honest, even if 50% of his advice isn't applicable to the UK market, the bits that are would help us all earn that little bit more, and a percentage of those extra earnings would always go back to the suppliers,.. when we're flush we buy new gear!!

This was yet another bad move IMO on the part of CIU admin.

[Oakley Windows]

Your always buying new gear 

[Clive McDonald]

Not sure if i believe it, neither mike nor dave st ives have ever banned me or even sent me a warning. I've called mods all sorts of things and poked my nose into the forum and directories business plenty.

Only a couple of posts ago i got away with calling alex the marketing class dunce.

What i shall miss about coach is that he made things interesting and therefore added value to the forum. I strongly suggest to mike that on this basis he should consider apologising and coaxing the old boy back.

Nathaneal and hydro are both very wrong.

Nathaneal is wrong because coach 'branded' thermoshine brilliantly and for the first time made it look like a credible marketing alternative to wash and reach systems.- i'll say no more but had it been me i would have egged him on to do a bit more, made him a guild consultant or honoury member-.

Hydro is wrong because he is the victim of his own success. That doesn't detract from anything he's said, it was all very sound, and it worked. He was merely wrong about coach.