[williamx]

Just a few interesting Professional Marketing Sites by Experts 

http://www.cardellmedia.co.uk/Yahoo/marketing15.html?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Marketing_002

http://www.brightermarketing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=56

http://www.marketingtipsandideas.com/

http://www.cardellmedia.co.uk/marketingtips2.html?source=16_Marketing_Tips&utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Marketing%2BTips_001

I give up man, you are on some sort of rampage here, so I'm done.

Nope I just showing the forum members that there are other alternative marketing experts out there, also part of your marketing methods is to target other cleaners customers, so I doing what you want, I'm targeting your potential customers for them.

[WCBusinessCoach]

A final thought, Hydro.

(I will say this carefully and slowly)

Here is the final comment I will make on your words, since you seem to think that my disinterest in repeating myself 10 times in a row is some kind of admission of weak reasoning.

Please note my responses to your issues below. If you still can't fathom them, then I can't help you anymore.

Another negative attack by the coach.

It seems that anyone who does not agree with him is dismissed with remarks, that are very juvernile.

If we are that dumb, that we cannot understand marketing why does he not give real advice, instead of sniping and whining like a "little boy" who can't get his own way.

I believe I said you are NOT dumb. Did you misunderstand me?

Please see my blog, and the many videos and downloads and free chapters, and recorded video broadcasts. or perhaps the actual marketing tool that is on this thread that I made from scratch to show every one of you.

Here's a start for you, in case you hadn't looked:

My free blog:
http://windowcleaningbusinesscoach.com/coach/

Sign up for 2 free chapters of my book:
http://windowcleaningbusinesscoach.com/

A free video recording of the 35-minute Marketing Seminar I presented in Nov 2008, down in Rhode Island, USA: http://dossier-content.s3.amazonaws.com/index.htm

Is this not all advice? REAL advice?

I suppose I could repeat it all here on this thread, but it's not very efficient, so please see those links, and all my posts here and on other forums instead.

He says that I have repeated the same questions and his answers over 10 times already, well please cut and paste them so we can all see, because I seem to only remember analyzing the leaflet that he worked on once.

It is also strange that he has not pointed out in his sneering way where I am wrong on the leaflet he worked on.

Okay, let me say it for the FIRST ( ) time, then:

You are dead wrong for dismissing the leaflet on the basis of your personal preference, it is a mistake. It doesn't matter what you think, it only matters what has been proven in thousands of marketing studies to work.

Here are some of the proven marketing strategies built into that leaflet:

Benefit-oriented imagery
Unorthodox layout and look
Strong, curiosity-arousing headline
One clear, primary benefit pounded home
Many additional benefits of other features
Clear calls to specific actions
Deadline-driven, creative, appealing offer
Fun
Story-like approach
Strong, airtight guarantee

I also showed an example of marketing that "McDonalds" did and which backed up my claim to make it simply, instead of being over complicated.

Is the silence on this, because I am right, or does he not want to make himself look even more foolish by saying that the marketing EXPERTS at "McDonalds" are wrong.

Umm, I was silent on this? I think you may have missed a paragraph.

Like I said, if you want proper marketing advice go to the experts who's career is dedicated to this task, don't go to a part-time wannabe newbie.

See, Hydro, you have some issues with me, which is okay.

We're all human, and I rub you the wrong way. Obviously.

In the interests of not making you feel dismissed or emotionally-injured, I will refrain from similar name-calling.

Call me a part-time wannabe newbie if you wish, but don't trick yourself into thinking it's true.

And I'm officially done answering your posts on this subject. Please don't expect further replies.

[WCBusinessCoach]

so here we go again with the personal attacks from the coach, im now a dumb ,stone throwing hick

i have been trying to ascertain wether this book is worth buying at £67

the lads on another forum rate this book as worth the £25  they paid for theirs

they wont comment on wether its worth  the £67............. that speaks volumes

its not the cost thats the issue, its tax deductable

like any other business i am looking to improve every aspect , especially profit
and will happily pay twice that if it contains the inormation i need to do so

hydro asked for advice on a leaflet, the coaches leaflet had a fundamenal flaw............it did not scream  window cleaner

how do i know this......................from producing leaflets that looked the mutts nuts
but didnt get a single response.............by talking to guys in marketing i found out where i was going wrong and revised my flyers.........my flyers now get results

so i shall ask again        what is it that makes this book worth 67 of my hard earned £

You're not listening either, Mike.

And this book is not for you, I've already told you.

Why are you still trying to figure out if you should get it?

[Klean07]

This topic should be changed to the William and Kevin show. Tis getting a bit boring now. Yawn yawn!!

[David Slater]

He is a link which will give you all the figures on door drops (leafleting)

http://www.linkdirect.co.uk/door_drop_research.php

By the way you cannot dismiss true facts and figures.

Um, what is the point from this site? That people read fliers a LOT.

Sweet. Make yours awesome, then!

Yes that is the point, a lot of people do read leaflets and getting it right will pay dividends, getting it wrong will be a waste of money.

On your worked leaflet I pointed out why "I" thought it was wrong and in what way it was wrong, instead of addressing those points you embark on another attack on me.

I have used many leaflets and flyers, some have been very crude, some have been simple but basic, while others have used your methods and looked very cool, I know what worked for me and what results they generated you don't, yet you de-rided my opinions.

All because I disagree with you does not make me wrong, you are in another country with different attitudes and thinkings, I live in this country and I am more in tune with how we think, the same as you are more in tune on how Canadians think.

OK Hydro,

I've been reading this thread with interest.....

You seem to have all/some of the answers....so lets not beat about the bush - TELL US and SHOW US how to 'make it happen' without subscribing to WCBC?

I hope you're not going to go all coy and say its 'secret' or 'I might SELL this info to you'...thats no good is it? You'd only be a direct competitor of WCBC and therefore have an axe to grind to try and drum him out of CIU as a competitor? and would be worthy of the same ridicule you gave WCBC...would you agree with that?

Lets see your leaflets Hydro, and talk us through how you came to the end result.

I've posted my pictures and ideas FREE of CHARGE with no axe to grind and credited posters for their ideas/input.

Are you going to sit on the sidelines sneering, or will you post up a full and detailed guide to reach your own amazing results?

Kindest regards
David.

P.S...I'm not a 'stooge' or 'new account'  

[Nathanael Jones]

What's the website link for the dossier again?

[williamx]

David send me your email and I will send you the flyer that I have found works best for me, I have tried up loading onto the forum but it won't allow me, properly doing something wrong, you can posted on this site if you want.

[David Slater]

David send me your email and I will send you the flyer that I have found works best for me, I have tried up loading onto the forum but it won't allow me, properly doing something wrong, you can posted on this site if you want.

Thats very civil of you Hydro.

My email is - slater445@googlemail.com

I'll try and work it into a format for posting on here.

Regards
David.

[williamx]

Anyone know how to paste a word document onto this site?

[williamx]

David send me your email and I will send you the flyer that I have found works best for me, I have tried up loading onto the forum but it won't allow me, properly doing something wrong, you can posted on this site if you want.

Thats very civil of you Hydro.

My email is - slater445@googlemail.com

I'll try and work it into a format for posting on here.

Regards
David.

Email sent

[mikethechamois]

ok coach

i give in, i wanted to know if the contents of your book are worth £67

instead of proving they are you went back on the attack

what does that tell me

i gave you an oppurtunity to promote your book direct on here

i have read  all your answers on this forum and your links

im still none the wiser

[WCBusinessCoach]

What's the website link for the dossier again?

Here you go, Nathanael:
http://windowcleaningbusinesscoach.com/coach/coaching

Click on the one that says "Free Gift" and you'll get the book, too, as a thank you gift to keep forever, regardless of whether or not you stay on as a dossier subscriber.

One month free, and then $47/mth. Cancel anytime, no questions asked.

I don't know why everyone wouldn't at least get my book for free, and a free issue, for free.

218-pages + 39 pages of window cleaning marketing education for FREE.

I thought it was a good deal...maybe not?

Shall I throw in a jar of Marmite?

[Nathanael Jones]

Is this the new "2009 recession edition" that's being sent out now,.. or do I have to wait for that?

[Clive McDonald]

exactomondo craig, i had all sorts planned.

Chris Cardell is very like coach, except that chris doesn't clean windows, and he is as much about strategy as marketing but what sets coach apart, aside from being a lot cheaper, is that he is ever so slightly nuts.This is what i find so brilliant about him and want to see more of.

To get the best out of coach you need to ask him questions. I can't for the life of me understand the self justification element of people trying to validate themselves by attacking him.

David, you are a nice guy, but you think in straight lines. I'm sure all hydros stuff is excellent, but that's not the point we are being given a lesson in selling window cleaning as an experience.(geek squad, starbucks, greenthumb etc). But all you seem to want to hear is about a commodity sales pitch (tesco, asda,netto).

[williamx]

I have just took a couple of photos of 2 flyers that I have used in the past, have a look at them while David figures out how to get my currrent flyer on the site.

Feel free to pick them apart.

[WCBusinessCoach]

ok coach

i give in, i wanted to know if the contents of your book are worth £67

instead of proving they are you went back on the attack

what does that tell me

i gave you an oppurtunity to promote your book direct on here

i have read  all your answers on this forum and your links

im still none the wiser

Fair enough.

You may dismiss what I say, too.

I hope you apply everything you know so that 2009 turns out the way you wish, for your business.



P.S. Feel better now?

[WCBusinessCoach]

Is this the new "2009 recession edition" that's being sent out now,.. or do I have to wait for that?

Actually, I would rather give you a "2009 - Recession Edition" instead, if you don't mind waiting a couple weeks...

It's even better, in MANY ways, and will be available for a few days at a deep discount, once it's released Feb 1/09.

Yeah, hold off, actually.

[WCBusinessCoach]

exactomondo craig, i had all sorts planned.

Chris Cardell is very like coach, except that chris doesn't clean windows, and he is as much about strategy as marketing but what sets coach apart, aside from being a lot cheaper, is that he is ever so slightly nuts.

HEY!!

This is what i find so brilliant about him and want to see more of.

Ohhh...okay

To get the best out of coach you need to ask him questions. I can't for the life of me understand the self justification element of people trying to validate themselves by attacking him.

That makes two of us.

David, you are a nice guy, but you think in straight lines. I'm sure all hydros stuff is excellent, but that's not the point we are being given a lesson in selling window cleaning as an experience. (geek squad, starbucks, greenthumb etc). But all you seem to want to hear is about a commodity sales pitch (tesco, asda,netto).

Good point, Discount. And the experience begins with our marketing materials. They create the buying atmosphere in which the prospect is motivated to take the desired action.

[Nathanael Jones]

Is this the new "2009 recession edition" that's being sent out now,.. or do I have to wait for that?

Actually, I would rather give you a "2009 - Recession Edition" instead, if you don't mind waiting a couple weeks...

It's even better, in MANY ways, and will be available for a few days at a deep discount, once it's released Feb 1/09.

Yeah, hold off, actually.

I can wait a couple of weeks,... a sneak preview or 2 to tide us over might be good,...

[craig b]

discount he  got me......
oh just got a  small trailer sign 5ft by 3ft..today for free