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williamx

Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2008, 06:20:40 am »
This was the advert,

I think we should ask wc resources to confrim why the site has been taken off, then the truth will be made known. But his email address seems odd.Enough from me, not judging :-

Posted 27/11/08
Location: Putney, Wandsworth, Southfields, Roehampton (South West Area)
Type: Domestic
Monthly Average Value: £4,500 pcm
Established For: 4 years.
Comments: Traditional methods used but switch to WFP would be no problem. The round is very compact spending 1 day on each road, so no need to travel around.  Good paying customers who all pay cash. Been worked by me for the past 4 years providing a good solid business income with no mess you about customers. All up to date. I am selling this business because I am bored of window cleaning.
Asking Price: £9,000 (negotiable)
Contact Details: Michael Gordon 

I suppose the round will be going cheaper if he goes to jail ::)

AuRavelling79

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Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2008, 09:15:34 am »
On the extremely rare occasions when I bought work, if all other things looked like I wanted to do the business - price/area/type of custy etc - I always insisted on being introduced to them all.

Or if I was buying say 50 custies I would want to see the list and jab a finger at any dozen and say take me there and introduce me.

If they won't give up an hour or two to seal the deal then there is something fishy.
It's a game of three halves!

Moderator David@stives

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Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2008, 09:19:23 am »

Paul Coleman

Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2008, 11:21:45 am »
Heres the post

www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=51149.0

I just had a quick look through that thread.  There was nothing of substance to indicate that the seller might be dodgy (IMO of course).  If there is any truth to the recent allegations, it must emphasise the bit about buyer beware.  I still think that some kind of escrow system woud be helpful.

paul a

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Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2008, 02:12:16 pm »
hi
i was coned out of 4000 pounds from dean dounton . i will go to sutton police this week
ACS cleaning services

simon knight

Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2008, 02:22:33 pm »
This was the advert,

I think we should ask wc resources to confrim why the site has been taken off, then the truth will be made known. But his email address seems odd.Enough from me, not judging :-

Posted 27/11/08
Location: Putney, Wandsworth, Southfields, Roehampton (South West Area)
Type: Domestic
Comments: Traditional methods used but switch to WFP would be no problem.

This is balls! I know it's balls as this is the area I work and I know 110% that switching to wfp would be not only be "no problem" but as good as impossible.

Why else is the geezer using trad if he could go wfp?

pingu

Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2008, 03:11:01 pm »
Ah Simon123 or Jonah whatever...nice to read the ramblings of your not so right mind... ;D

M Henderson

Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2008, 04:33:38 pm »
Quote
I think we should ask wc resources to confrim why the site has been taken off, then the truth will be made known.

There WAS an arrest made yesterday of Stuart Booth, Surrey. (QCS Cleaning).

I was made aware a few months ago that somebody had bought a fraudulent window cleaning
round from a ‘Scott Marshall’ who had used our site to advertise the ‘work’.

You may have noticed that since then we put a warning on the site in an effort to prevent fraudulent activity.

Last week I received another report of a fraudulent round purchase in the same area - Surrey.

We did some research and found that a ‘Scott Marshall’ had also posted on this site. When doing a search for ‘dodgy round’ we came across the thread by QCS Cleaning (Stuart Booth) shown above in which Jonah used this expression.

Similarities were seen which linked the two together.

From these similarities we were able to identify other rounds as being ‘suspect’.

A meeting was set up with one of these alias names, 'Dean Daunton'

Although he was supposed to be Dean Daunton, he then provided the same mobile number as ‘Michael Gordon’. So a confirmation was made that it was the same guy.

The police were informed of the meeting and the arrest was made once the fraudulent work list was obtained.

We have removed suspicious rounds that fit the pattern. However, we would appreciate hearing about any other suspicious dealings you may have had with people selling rounds so as to make sure we have removed all of them.

There are obviously many legitimate rounds advertised, but we would like to emphasize the need to be vigilant and excercise due dilligence before parting with your money.

In light of the recent events we will be chaging the way rounds are advertised to minimise the risk of people posting non existing work.

Making a small payment through PayPal before posting the round means we will be provided with address details of those posting rounds.

We will also have a link where you can report suspicious rounds to us. If anyone has further suggestions as to how to improve the security of the site, we’d be happy to hear them.

We apologize that we have inadvertently advertised in good faith these fraudulent rounds. However, we are happy to have played a significant role in the process which has lead to his arrest.

We ask that anyone else with information that could prove helpful to communicate this to Sutton Police.




AuRavelling79

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Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2008, 04:37:16 pm »
Hercule Poirot has got nothing on you guys!
It's a game of three halves!

simon knight

Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2008, 04:43:01 pm »

Thank you Miss Lemon...'Astings get my coat!

Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2008, 04:45:29 pm »
Well, Eat My Shorts.

Paul Coleman

Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2008, 05:21:45 pm »
Quote
I think we should ask wc resources to confrim why the site has been taken off, then the truth will be made known.

There WAS an arrest made yesterday of Stuart Booth, Surrey. (QCS Cleaning).

I was made aware a few months ago that somebody had bought a fraudulent window cleaning
round from a ‘Scott Marshall’ who had used our site to advertise the ‘work’.

You may have noticed that since then we put a warning on the site in an effort to prevent fraudulent activity.

Last week I received another report of a fraudulent round purchase in the same area - Surrey.

We did some research and found that a ‘Scott Marshall’ had also posted on this site. When doing a search for ‘dodgy round’ we came across the thread by QCS Cleaning (Stuart Booth) shown above in which Jonah used this expression.

Similarities were seen which linked the two together.

From these similarities we were able to identify other rounds as being ‘suspect’.

A meeting was set up with one of these alias names, 'Dean Daunton'

Although he was supposed to be Dean Daunton, he then provided the same mobile number as ‘Michael Gordon’. So a confirmation was made that it was the same guy.

The police were informed of the meeting and the arrest was made once the fraudulent work list was obtained.

We have removed suspicious rounds that fit the pattern. However, we would appreciate hearing about any other suspicious dealings you may have had with people selling rounds so as to make sure we have removed all of them.

There are obviously many legitimate rounds advertised, but we would like to emphasize the need to be vigilant and excercise due dilligence before parting with your money.

In light of the recent events we will be chaging the way rounds are advertised to minimise the risk of people posting non existing work.

Making a small payment through PayPal before posting the round means we will be provided with address details of those posting rounds.

We will also have a link where you can report suspicious rounds to us. If anyone has further suggestions as to how to improve the security of the site, we’d be happy to hear them.

We apologize that we have inadvertently advertised in good faith these fraudulent rounds. However, we are happy to have played a significant role in the process which has lead to his arrest.

We ask that anyone else with information that could prove helpful to communicate this to Sutton Police.





Good idea re paypal.
Have you any idea if it would be practical to set up an escrow type system?  I wouldn't know where to start with such a thing but maybe someone does.

M Henderson

Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2008, 05:35:27 pm »
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Have you any idea if it would be practical to set up an escrow type system?  I wouldn't know where to start with such a thing but maybe someone does.

It's an interesting idea.

I googled that this afternoon after reading about it in this thread. It seems to be American based from what I've seen so far which might put people off, but I will have another look.

It would be up to the buyer and seller to make the transaction going down that route but I can certainly put a link to the service.

If there is a similar UK based system it would go down better I think.


DASERVICES

Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2008, 05:38:06 pm »
Cheers Mark for clearing that up. A big thanks to flybefly for bringing this to our attention.

I'll leave the rest upto you guys.  ;)

mr D

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Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2008, 09:49:00 pm »
pmsl

 ::) ::)

peter holley

Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2008, 09:53:01 pm »
hi i am part of aperson called legiion!    im not sure who i am today?

Fredboy

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Re: ARREST MADE TONIGHT FOR DODGY ROUND
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2008, 04:43:51 pm »
Yeah, I met up with this messer (known to me as Stuart Booth) originally a few months ago but things didn't quite add up for me so didnt take it any further.  At that point he wanted £15k - boy am I glad I didnt part with that amount of cash.

I met him at his house and even know where he worked - he was obviously playing at very silly, dangerous game.

It actually makes life really hard work for window cleaners trying to sell genuine rounds.

I feel genuinely sorry for those people caught out by this ****hole.