[trevor perry]

with the weather forcast predicting -5 for the next few nights wfp will cause a major slip hazzard how are you all managing the problem.

  personally i do quite a bit of commercial work so will be doing insides first thing in mornings then returning to do outs when the ground as warmed up ,if i run out of this work i will be doing low level jobs the trad way.
 
  I know a lot of you use hot systems with the ground being so cold surely you must still get it freezing or  am i mistaken.
 p.s before people say use salt i did a few this morning the water was frezing as soon as it hit the floor so i dont think i would even trust salt.

 WFP is very safe please dont ruin its track record by being silly this winter.

[Sir Squeaky]

I don't do doors on domestics wfp, and I do all my shops by hand as well.
There will be some who leave icy patches around though. :

[Chris Galloway]

Bit of advise for HOT users. hot water freezes quicker than cold water does.. no idea why just one of those unexplained phenomenons.

Treat with caution!

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/hot_water.html

[Lakes and Pennine]

why not salt after you have finished

[seandyer2003]

Bit of advise for HOT users. hot water freezes quicker than cold water does.. no idea why just one of those unexplained phenomenons.

Treat with caution!

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/hot_water.html

very interesting reading, similar to why does water only freeze on top. that is a mystery too, it should be opposite!

And ...

why not salt after you have finished

My thoughts exactly, wouldnt take long to chuck some salt down on dangerous places when necessary, carry a big bag of grit/sand

[Neil Williams]

You need to use a degree of common sense here. If it's that cold do door areas by trad, other areas carry a large tub of rock salt/grit to put down.

[Sir Squeaky]

That can be just as skiddy as the water.

I've slipped on gritty marbles more than once.
Our town is on a hill, and if you're walking along and suddenly step on unexpected gravel you can go flying.

Best not to use wfp at all where you don't have to.

[pingu]

This argument is thrashed out each year is it not? do we ever get a reasonable end result...nope..

[Sir Squeaky]

Best not to use wfp at all where you don't have to.

so its better to stay trad

That would involve climbing up and down ladders all day and doing lots of scrubbing though.
Sod going back to that!

[Neil Williams]

so its better to stay trad

No. The words are minimise the risk to as far as possible.
Rocksalt....paths not suitable......Then trad
if it's really that cold then leave it for a few days and clean places where public don't walk on iced up areas, like domestics.
You're not likely to lose a contract because you deemed it too dangerous for the public at that particular time. What's a day or two.

[Sir Squeaky]

Exactly.
You should be making enough money in this job that a day or two off here and there doesn't matter anyway.

[Kevin R]

Never had a problem!!!

5 am freezing cold - doing shops - commercials etc - never freezes. Have checked time and time again, was worried about this when I started wfp now Im never worried. Maybe its because I'm down south - coldest I ever seen it here was -2. Still didn't freeze on the ground. Guess it would if it pooled somewhere but it usually drains away in seconds.

[Kevin R]

Best not to use wfp at all where you don't have to.

so its better to stay trad

Stan - Im gonna pee my pants when you finally go wfp 

[Kevin R]

much warmer down here +  TDS of 70, Looks like I'm staying put 

Burnley - who the heck are they? Scottish devision? LOL

[Captain Scarlet]

Get yourself to a grit bin, and take a few litres, it will last days. I use a salt container to pour it around. And before Squeaky starts saying people will sue because you put the grit down, you can barely see it. And it will save people from falling.

[Jeff Brimble]

brrr..... -4 this morning, hope its not going to be like this till march 09   

[[GQC] Tim]

Are you allowed to take salt from those roadside yellow containers?

[Chris Galloway]

Are you allowed to take salt from those roadside yellow containers?

No and Yes.

What are salt bins used for?
The provision and use of salt bins is for the sole use of clearing the surrounding road, pavement or public steps. They are not for private use such as garden paths/drives, etc.

I doubt for commercial use either.

[trevor perry]

6am this morning it was -7 here i did some internal commercial and any with the windows open froze as soon as i put applicator on them so no point even attempting the outsides, by 9am it was 1 degree so worked as normal but knocked off early as any water put down from now is likely to freeze again before it dries out.

[Sir Squeaky]

Get yourself to a grit bin, and take a few litres, it will last days. I use a salt container to pour it around. And before Squeaky starts saying people will sue because you put the grit down, you can barely see it. And it will save people from falling.

Did you not read...?

That can be just as skiddy as the water.

I've slipped on gritty marbles more than once.
Our town is on a hill, and if you're walking along and suddenly step on unexpected gravel you can go flying.