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danny taylor

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Belgian Wilton
« on: November 23, 2008, 02:18:30 pm »
Got to clean some Belgian Wilton carpets in a few weeks at a conference centre. Never had to clean this type before. Anyone know the do`s and dont`s? Thanks in advance.

Ken Wainwright

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Re: Belgian Wilton
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2008, 02:34:34 pm »
Hi Danny

The fact that you are asking about this type of work shows that you are serious about your business. At the same time it suggests that you are lacking in experience and/or training.

Belgian Wiltons in this environment is rare. I presume that you have little experience of the scenario you've described, so you must firstly be prepared to walk away from this potentially lucrative job if you can't tick all the right boxes.

Firstly, you must spend a lot of time on your inspection. The industry recommendation is that BW's are fitted on architectural gripper, if not a double row of conventional gripper. Look at the sub floor. Is the gripper exceptionally secure, or are there areas where the gripper is lifting? even by a small amount?  If it's a concrete floor, are the right nails used? If glued, is the gripper cut into 3 or 4" strips or just glued down as single longer pieces? If a wooden floor, are the right nails used? The wrong combination can result in shrinkage, and boy, can BW's shrink :o

Was the carpet a stretch fit or loose laid on the grippers? It should have been a loose lay and tucked in without stretching.  If the carpet is tight now, it will probably shrink even from a pre-spray.

There are other considerations too, like seams/joins, but with BW's, if the fit is immaculate, then it should be safe to proceed with an LM/bonnet system.

I presume that you have satisfied yourself that the carpet is a polypropylene pile with a high jute content woven construction? Anything else, and it's not a Belgian Wilton.

In the commercial environment, even more so than residential, there are serious H&S consequences should a carpet shrink or split a seam. DO NOT PROCEED if you are not confident.

Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

Kane

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Re: Belgian Wilton
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2008, 03:24:58 pm »
Kens right walk away or get a disclaimer form signed , large areas of BW should always be fitted with double gripper.

Bill Robinson

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Re: Belgian Wilton
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2008, 04:53:32 pm »
i did a BW rug once never again it was puckering befor my eyes couldnt beleve it
Bill
ps im a coward

spencer davies

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Re: Belgian Wilton
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2008, 05:04:54 pm »
I think Ken has saved Bill a costly experience  ;)

I would sign up for some training courses if I were you Bill.

Regards


S

Doug Holloway

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Re: Belgian Wilton
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2008, 05:58:39 pm »
Danny

Have you got a low moisture system such as Texatherm or Dry Fusion.

Whereabouts are you, you may have someone locally who can help.

Cheers

Doug

danny taylor

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Re: Belgian Wilton
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2008, 06:18:52 pm »
Yeah Ive got a texatherm system.

Doug Holloway

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Re: Belgian Wilton
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2008, 08:19:58 pm »
Hi Danny

Texatherm should be perfect for BW, why don't you arrange to do a test area, you could sell it on the basis you want to try out two types of system.

Personally I would try Tex system but also Ultrapac Renovate as the prespray with acid rinse in the tank, I used this the other week with excellent results.

Cheers

Doug

roger underhill

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Re: Belgian Wilton
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2008, 11:07:21 pm »
Hi
Did a large lounge in a farmhouse last week, BW not fitted well and loose in some areas, I qualified the customer and with her agreement I just cleaned the traffic lanes and feathered into the other areas with Texatherm. In the end a great result, a happy customer who was grateful of my knowledge.
Dont forget the easy test for polyprop fibres, they are the only ones that float in water.
Family business founded in 1985

will01

  • Posts: 256
Re: Belgian Wilton
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2008, 12:11:16 am »
Danny:


I clean bw carpets quite regulary. You can clean them using "Light" hwe but always leave at least 6 inches dry from the wall (Ie just clean the traffic lanes).

Just prespray a fine mist over the traffic lanes, agitate and extract over the area once then complete at least 2 dry passes.

I then bonnet said area using zip dry from hydramaster. Jobs a good un!!

Will




clinton

Re: Belgian Wilton
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2008, 07:04:35 am »
The texatherm system is a good way as doug said and the rinse will bring it up :)

A good pre vac as well :)

Gary Webber

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Re: Belgian Wilton
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2008, 08:23:52 am »
Hi Danny,

As the others have stated, Spray the carpet EXTREMELY lightly with the advanced cleaner and WRING the pad thoroughly. You will have absolutely no problems with a low moisture system if you abide by this

Regards

Gary

danny taylor

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Re: Belgian Wilton
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2008, 07:41:10 pm »
Thanks to everyone for their kind help. The carpet is well fitted with D-grippers so using my Texatherm with as dry a pad possible should do the trick. Ill let you know how it goes.Thanks danny

danny taylor

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Re: Belgian Wilton
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2008, 07:50:10 pm »
Hi all, did the job today with great results and no damage.Happy customer who wants it done again next year.Thanks again Danny.

Michael Moran

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Re: Belgian Wilton
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2009, 04:55:01 am »
Hi Danny, I've read through this thread with interest and I'm glad to see everything went OK.
For those of us with our L plates on can you give a description of how you carried out the clean? Belgian Wilton seems to put the willies up a lot of people when it comes to the possibility of shrinkage, and your input would be very useful.
Thanks in advance. Sorry, I know that this was all posted last year, but it would be a good ending to an interesting thread.

Susan Dean (1stclean)

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Re: Belgian Wilton
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2009, 07:29:54 am »
i find useing a rdm running at 450 psi on full heat works well with no movement what so ever works well for me