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Glynn

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2005, 10:52:26 pm »
Dave
If you want to use my RDM for a day , just ask.
Regards
Glynn

dave washbrook

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2005, 11:18:48 pm »
glyn
 so have you brought the rdm and is it worth the money. i was talking to shefield shaun on hydramasters stand and he was saying you had one on trial. is it any good on realy dirty carpets and have you tried it on low profile commercial carpets(carpet tiles)? if so how do you rate it.

thanks

dave

Mark Roberts

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2005, 01:54:09 am »
Peter,
I understand now you meant now, moisture pick up, not water pick up like you said in your first post.
That sounds much more like it, hope you accept apologies for my post for digging into you. ;)

Cheers

Mark

peter_collins

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2005, 07:41:11 am »
No problem at all Mark.

GreenGlides

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2005, 07:58:36 pm »
wow!
this thread really took off.

You guys should know some history.

We also considered the RDM, as we used to be Rotovac users (and still keep it on the truck for the occasional nasty) But when we bought a quality wand and had a teflon wand glide made for it, it was a much better cleaning tool all around.

As you may already know, not all wands are created equal. I was actually quite surprised when I first came to this realization, as I kind of thought a wand was a wand, but once someone shows you the light, it's pretty obvious and you ask yourself why didn't I see this before?

We started with a lightweight 1.5" tubed 12" wide 2 jet wand and fitted a NON-teflon glide to it, it was easier to push as you would imagine plastic to be vs: steel lips, and it did seem to dry the carpet a little better, but it chipped and scratched and eventually tore carpet fiber, and became harder to push. We tried a few designs that varied in material and slot shape and configuration.

In the end 100% teflon(although expensive in comparison), proved to be the material of choice for many reasons which we explain on our website(GreenGlides.com look under "Learn about glides"), mostly the low coefficient of friction and self healing ability from scratches and nicks.

We came to some conclusions on slot designs as well, a series of holes pulled up much more water than a continous slot therefore cleaned better, but not just any hole, the size was critical to the vacuum source, and the placement of said holes in proximity to each other was also important not to close and not to far.

Even the slot size was critical, although the slot doesn't glide as smoothly in comparison as the holes it was still much better than a conventional steel wand lip, and as long as the size of the slot was limited there was indeed a drying decrease and a little more water was picked up. If you consider the average slot width of about 3/16" any decrease will be a little easier to push and dry a little better as slot velocity is increased at the carpet.
Any larger than 3/16" would be just the opposite.

Our preferred slot size is 1/8". The slot doesn't dry or glide as well as the hole, but it does permit larger debris to pass and this may be worth the compromise, and as we have learned from end users like Glynn, some wool carpets respond better to the slot.

The next consideration is fit, the glide absolutley must fit snugly, this is what prevented me from making them myself in the garage, I use a machinist for this reason. Each must be fitted to the shape of the lips and vacuum slot precisely. I have tried to help many make them but it's costly to do in small quanties, and not practical for a good fit, I started off just making a few for myself and friends, because I couldn't go abck to cleaning without one, but word spreads and now we make them in volume.

Another tid bit worth mentioning is the glide makes streaking from multi-jet wands an issue of the past, this proved to be  big deal, as some of the best wands ever made fell out of favor due to this little detail. the glide completely reversed this, and now those very wands are in demand again.


Ideally you want to use a quality wand like a PC or HM cast head low profile with a 1.75" or larger tube. They are a bit heavier, but that is compensated with the addition of a glide. The perfect scenario would be to have a wand that you could quickly swap out the glide and yet seal well. This can be accomplished but requires a notch to be cut into the side splash fin of said wands, so you can slide the glide on an off without distorting the teflon channel. But that is another animal, this is not as big of a deal with the cheaper lighter weight welded wands as the glide pops on and off more readily(but still do some damamge to the sealing surfaces with reptitive use) and they vary more in design tolerance as they are not cast heads from a mold.











GREENIE

Dave_Lee

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2005, 08:11:38 pm »
Thanks Glynn I'll take you up on that soon.
Dave.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."

David Ware

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2005, 09:47:17 pm »
Hi GreenGlides

Do you say that a wand with Greenglides will clean better than a CFR wand.

David Ware

GreenGlides

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2005, 09:51:08 pm »
Dunno about better, two different animals.

But you can put down a lot of flow (06 jets) and pull most of it back up again, leaving the carpet much drier to the touch for sure.

And you don't buy a new wand, just use the one you have.
GREENIE

Len Gribble

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2005, 10:08:32 pm »
Greenie

Pretend I’m a 2x4 never been into tech stuff, Prof is in the pudding contact me by the way I use a pc wand.

Len
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other. (Sidcup Kent)

CARPET KNIGHTS

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2005, 10:09:08 pm »
didn't realise that this forum was for people to promote thier own items. i thought it was for carpet cleaners to discuss thier findings about other peoples items.

GreenGlides

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2005, 02:34:56 am »
Sorry if I've offended you.

And if I have violated some rule, I'll hush my mouth.

Chaps have this tool in the US, just now reaching the UK apparantly.

We clean everyday with a locally built no name TM, 25HP (Heat Exchange) Robins powerplant and 47 Tri-lobe blower, and use a PC Titanium wand most days.

Sir Knight, what would you like to discuss on this DRY CARPET thread?

We use the above equipment and a teflon glide to achieve 1 hr. dry times many days, how about you?

 :-*
GREENIE

CARPET KNIGHTS

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2005, 08:58:38 am »
personally i don't mind talking about your glides, just not as a sales pitch, get that all day from one place or another.

I'm running a truckmount too with 4 jet wand and can also get carpets touch dry within the hour

Doug Holloway

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2005, 09:10:33 am »
Goron,

To be fair to Greenie , he included a lot of technical info and as drier carpets seems to be the 'Holy Grail' at present a lot of people will be interested.

I'm in favour of manufacturers getting involved as it adds to the forum, obviously blatant advertising would be deleted.

Why does it seem that all the innovation is coming from the States?

Cheers,

Doug

Ken Wainwright

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2005, 01:49:40 pm »
There is no way a manufacturer can inform us of their new/innovative products without it coming over as self promotion. I applaud the way Greenie has conducted himself on this forum and would encourage him to continue to do so. The same goes for his fellow regular US contributor, namely Ed Valentine.

Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

CARPET KNIGHTS

  • Posts: 883
Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2005, 01:52:58 pm »
but if all the manufacturers did this then it would just become a trade fair

paul@ctcs

Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2005, 01:58:02 pm »
Good to hear of an Interesting new product that may improve the wat we work :) Price a bit steep though ;D

Paul

Ken Wainwright

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2005, 02:16:37 pm »
Goron

The more manufacturers participating, then the better for us all. But if things get too blatant or out of hand, there's always the moderator who'll keep things in line.

Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

CARPET KNIGHTS

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2005, 02:43:54 pm »
personally i'd rather here about the products from the people who have them in use

GreenGlides

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2005, 04:31:08 pm »
I hate the constant sales dribble as well. I am also one who likes to hear from end users and not salesmen. As I mentioned before this is being introduced into the UK, there are very few users right now. Would you like to be one of the first?

I'll be here to answer questions on the products I use and make for those interested.

But I'm more interested in the day to day cleaning in the UK vs: the US.

Humidity, and avg. dry times are always interesting from place to place as well as the equipment used.

Which TM and wand do you use Goron?

And tell me more about your dry to touch in one hour results.

What psi do you clean at, and how many wet passes vs: dry passes do you make on average.
What lift do you run your machine at (Hg)?

average hose run?

And please, anyone else chime in, I'd like to know some averages?

Anyone find it getting harder and harder year after year to push that wand?

I know with our machine @ 15"Hg, I can hardly move a stock PC Titanium wand, how do you do it?


GREENIE

CARPET KNIGHTS

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Re: Leaving Carpet Drier
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2005, 05:27:31 pm »
i have a spitfire 4.0. clean at 300psi with 15 hg lift average hose run is 100 ft.
wet to dry passes 1:1
unsure of the make of wand as is second hand but i do find it hard to push tend to lift it and take another pass