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James W

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Thinking Of Starting Up
« on: November 05, 2008, 03:15:57 pm »
Hey, I'm James and I'm 18. I'm new to this forum and new to window cleaning. I have no experience of or in window cleaning so bear with me, I appologise if I appear ignorant or stupid. At the moment I'm a supervisor in a supermarket, the pay's okay for the hours I do, but it's not challenging, no matter how well I do a job there are no rewards, no job satisfaction. I work really hard at work because I like to do a job well but I've always wanted to be my own boss, run my own business. 1 - Because the work you put in is rewarded, your business grows. 2 - I'd like to earn a decent wage, although my current ones okay for the hours I do, at some point I'll need something more to have anywhere near enough money to get a mortgage and a better car, and I suppose a better life in general. At the moment I'm doing 25 -30 hours a week, at £6.27 an hour, about £650 a month.

So why my interest in Window cleaning? Well it allows me to be my own boss. The work I put in is rewarded, I'd love to make an excellent job and build my reputation. Pride is really important to me. The possibilities and opportunities are pretty big. I also enjoy working outdoors, so it'd be great.

The one thing that's stopped me in the past is my slight fear, or uneasyness of hights. I don't mind being high up, just I can't look down and feel a bit uneasy and uncomfortable about it. It's one thing that in the past has resulted in me being closed off to the idea of becoming a window cleaner. This was until recently, when my window cleaner began using one of the water fed poles, that allowed him to clean our windows within about 20 minutes without the need for ladders. Suddenly the option to become a window cleaner filled me with excitement, it became a real possibility.

So, I've been doing some research and obviously as I'm uneasy with heights, should I start I'd want a water fed pole system from the begining, so I'd need a van, a WFP system, and the motivation to work very hard. I've got the latter but need the first two. I'd probably be looking to spend around £750 on a van, and £700 for a WFP system. I've drawn up a financial forecast to consider and predict costs, revenue and profit and accured losses. For my start up costs, I've estimated I'd need £2015; £750 for the van, £700 for the system, £100 for marketing, with an additional 30% just in case I haven't accounted for any additional costs or unforeseen problems. For a business loan of this ammount (£2015) the monthly repayments would be £65.76, at a rate of 11.9% on a 3 year term. (That's from Natwest).

I'm aiming to charge £7 per house, (I'm in Lincolnshire, near Spalding. This is what my window cleaner charges, is it reasonable?) and aim to get 50 customers my first month, 65 the second, 85 the third, 109 the fourth, 142 the fifth, and 185 the sixth. I've estimated that I'll be in the profit by month five, with £424.28. And hopefully continue expanding thereafter. Do you see this as reasonable and realistic?

Is there anything else I'd need to account for? Any tips or advice?

It'd be much appreciated. Thanks.

Rogue Trader

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Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2008, 03:17:25 pm »
Dont do it it is a mugs game!

James W

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Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2008, 03:25:12 pm »
have you been watching Dragons Den!



 ;) And read both of Duncan's Books. Haha.  ;D

tonylee

Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2008, 03:42:53 pm »
hi
From your post you sound or come across as a bright lad. You seem to have researched the financial side of things but have you researched if there is a need in your area for window cleaners.
I would check that out first. I would also offer to help your mums window cleaner on your day off, for free to see if you like the work.
There is very little challenge to this job. It can also be quite lonely.
Yeah sure the rewards can be fantastic but it takes time (years in my case) to enjoy the money. That said your young enough, if you really are suited to the work to build a great career.
Although I hate to say it keep your job, help a local window cleaner for experience and start part time on your day off. If you still enjoy it in six months, thats the time to start building your empire full time
Tony

Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2008, 03:47:16 pm »
You also need to take into account of, public liability insurance, van insurance and tax, wf poles and resin (this will increase the cost of any self made system!).

You dont say if your in a hard or soft water area, if your in a hard water area you will need a ro system which will be extra expense.

ok cleaning

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Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2008, 03:55:11 pm »
and £700 for a wfp system no way try again

peter holley

Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2008, 04:02:27 pm »
hi james.. you have a plan and it sounds good....ok just a few tips... £7 sounds cheap, unless it is a small terraced house...if i were you i would target houses slightly larger 3-4 bed semis or detached..so jobs that start at £10 or more...i personally have £10 as a minimum charge!

its good to see that you have a forecast on your estimated growth of customers, and that is good , but remember as your buisness grows you will have less time and energy to put into getting more buisness...
the good thing about wc is that the best time to canvass is late afternoon/ early evening, so you can clean in the day and canvass in the evening...

i wish you all the success

peter

djhaydn

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Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2008, 04:46:30 pm »
HI james.
you really sound like a guy who wants to go far. window cleaning as someone has said can be a lonley old game, im lucky as i know most of my custie personnally , so having a chat breaks the loneliness up,at most i work 6 hours a day, thats on the big rounds, sometimes 4 hours, so i get plenty of time to go play golf...lol
if your area needs another window cleaner, i dont see no reason why you cant make a good round in the first year, i have now been going for 3 years and have built up a round of about 200+ custies, and it pays well, but i do 2 other jobs as well,
the van side? £750 wont get you something that will last, i have a 1996 transit, looks good, sign written but cost around £1700 in all.
dont just go jack your job in a start up, its not that easy, you need a good client base to get a regular income and pay a loan off.
Thanks to my mate Bod (on this site) i still have more and more work coming in, recession???? who said we were in one?? lol
your choice bud, only you can make the right decision.
all the best
Haydn

Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2008, 05:06:38 pm »
Hi

I agree on the Van side for £700 save a bit more and get a reliable one that hopefully in better condition. It should save you money in the long run.

As for £700 on WFP systems, well I have seen on ebay by purefreedom they are doing a basic van system that you install yourself for £699.99.

I dont knw if its is still there but if you just doing domestic houses I cant see it being an issue. You can have a trolly system for £1000 from purefreedom but I would recomend that you speak to Jamie at

www.xline-systems.co.uk

He knows what he is talking about and I know he will sort you out a good deal. But it might be a little dearer but it will be a great system.

If this is your first time going it alone then stay at your present job, and canvas and work part time around your main job and build it... then when you have enough leave your supermarket job.

practice traditional as well on your own home as you will need to do that as well, wfp is great but traditional also has it place. There will be times when wfp wont do the job... and visa versa.

Keep at it... and dont give up... as starting out now especially in this climate you will find it hard but the rewards at the end will be good.

Take notice of the guys on here, they have helped me loads and I hope to one day be as helpful to them and new comers such as yourselves.

best of luck

Dave
wish you best of luck. 

Scrimble

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Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2008, 05:29:40 pm »
just get yourself a astra/escort van and a decent set of ladders and start traditionally, build up your customer base then introduce wfp.

you dont need to spend hundreds and thousands on wfp to start with when you can be making a decent wage traditionally, i was a bit scared of heights but after a bit you wont be

East coast window cleaning Services

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Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2008, 05:42:56 pm »
have you been watching Dragons Den!



Let me tell ya where im at  ;D

Dont do it lol

Na on a serious note sounds like you got a plan believe me you be earning what you do in a month in a day, If you willing to put the effort in.
P&R Window Cleaning

RO-Sheen

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Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2008, 05:45:07 pm »
You have a great attitude especially for someone of your age and not looking at it as just a way of getting some easy beer money. It is a buisness that can support you and your family if run properly which I think you will do very well at - Thats all the compliments out of the way!

You need to look at your budget more. I dont think you will get much of a van for £700, and £700 for a good wfp system??? Maybe you can but as somone mentioned you need poles and PL insurance. I strongly recomend you save up more (rather than get a loan) and get a tidier signwritten van, possibly a logo'd uniform. You need to look more professional than your competitors so dont scrimp. Also, good quality leaflets help.

As I said earlier, you have a great attitude and will go far but tread carefully especially in these times when families are cutting back on their outgoings. I think you would be best to stick at your job for at least until Mar 2010. Continue doing your research, read and ask as much as you can on this website and save as much as poss.

Oh, and another thing, You will sometimes need ladders for access but as Mark said you will get over your fear

Adie
Formerly known as GARGAAX

AuRavelling79

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Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2008, 06:01:02 pm »
Hello James,

You sound a bright young man and I'll say to you what I say to my teenagers. Get an education while it's free. When you are 20/21 you can decide whether to continue it or use it as a foundation for setting up your own business.

Accountancy/Tax is good - it lets you choose whether to set up as an adviser, work for yourself or for a company. Money and Death will always be here!  ;D
Oh, perhaps an undertaker's course then! ;D

If you need money now then you could use window cleaning to finance your further ambitions. So do 3 days a week W/c around college courses. That way you can see if you like it.
It's a game of three halves!

ftp

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Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2008, 06:01:27 pm »
Best advice - ignore the earnings posted on this forum. Get out there and start working, keep your job for now and then work out your potential earnings (are you going to work in the rain?). You can make good money, but it won't be overnight. If your going down the wfp route then you will need to budget for reinvestment later in the year and ongoing costs. Good luck it can be done but don't wait too long because every redundant factory worker seems to be heading this way.

Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2008, 06:25:41 pm »
you really should learn how to clean trad too, its needed if you get asked to do internal or for windows that don't suit wfp

of if you wfp setup packs in for a few days and its takes a few days extra to get parts.. least you can do them on a ladder :P

paulscotney

Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2008, 06:29:00 pm »
hi
From your post you sound or come across as a bright lad. You seem to have researched the financial side of things but have you researched if there is a need in your area for window cleaners.
I would check that out first. I would also offer to help your mums window cleaner on your day off, for free to see if you like the work.
There is very little challenge to this job. It can also be quite lonely.
Yeah sure the rewards can be fantastic but it takes time (years in my case) to enjoy the money. That said your young enough, if you really are suited to the work to build a great career.
Although I hate to say it keep your job, help a local window cleaner for experience and start part time on your day off. If you still enjoy it in six months, thats the time to start building your empire full time
Tony

Very good advice.

dave0123

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Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2008, 06:33:05 pm »
I think trad is very inportant part as we use both no matter what. you may spend £££ setting up wfp and then not like the job? its cold its not easy as it looks with wfp or ladders its tiring and the list goes on.

When i started about 4 years ago i was a little scared of hights if am honest but that didnt stop me doing what i wanted to do! i wanted to be a window cleaner and loved cleaning the windows the hights bit suddley went after a few weeks on ladders as you get confident.

anyway try it on your days off see what happens.
Dave.

jonisondell

Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2008, 06:34:21 pm »
hi ive just started myself 6 months, learn triditional method, if you like it then get pw, get second hand parts off ebay just done it myself got whole lot 500 quid, get a decent van spend 2k at least you can get you money back if you dont like it and good luck,

Trotsky

Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2008, 06:35:54 pm »
Hello James,

You sound a bright young man and I'll say to you what I say to my teenagers. Get an education while it's free. When you are 20/21 you can decide whether to continue it or use it as a foundation for setting up your own business.

Accountancy/Tax is good - it lets you choose whether to set up as an adviser, work for yourself or for a company. Money and Death will always be here!  ;D
Oh, perhaps an undertaker's course then! ;D

If you need money now then you could use window cleaning to finance your further ambitions. So do 3 days a week W/c around college courses. That way you can see if you like it.

I believe this to be the best advice I have seen on here yet!

A Good Archer has more than one string to his bow and more than one arrow!
FREE FREE Free education... make good use of it (I wish I could!)
Plumber... Heating Engineer... Bricky... Plasterer... Carpenter, the list is endless
and wages far more agreeable!
Imagine putting in the hours as a window cleaner...
Then the same wages as say a heating Engineer (call out alone is a license to print money!)
Ever heard of a w/c charging a call out fee of £50???

Re: Thinking Of Starting Up
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2008, 06:43:36 pm »
hi, i've been cleaning windows for 7 years now and buisness is gd. but it only just started getting good really.  but saying that my dad started up 6 months ago just door knocking. he brought a purefreedom trolley and use's my water and is now earning £2000 a month and still getting more and more work by the day. the reason im saying this is that it can be done and if u want it enough go for it. if i was you i would try to save more money and get a gd van. i brought a astra van about two years ago for £2500 and it blew up on me in 6 months so be careful.