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Neil Mc Anulty

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recession part 2
« on: October 25, 2008, 10:50:57 pm »
Officially a recession, Yes, theres no doubt about that. We are coming out of really good times and a lot of people made a lot of money and as John said inherited money.

Some people have and will lose their jobs and others will feel the hardship due to rising costs and having an already tight budget stretched.

Lets be realistic, the economy has only shrunk by a small percentage and may continue to shrink for some months to come but it is predicted to turn in the latter months of 2009 or in 2010.

Personally I have done more advertising and increased business. Its hard not to start feeling the world is going to end with all the coverage in the media and their willingness to report doom and gloom.

The key is to keep going and try and keep a positive vibe. Not everybody will survive but if you lie down you wont.

I read this last year and it definitely helped me look at things from a more positive angle.



Neil Mc Anulty

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Re: recession part 2
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2008, 10:52:40 pm »
For some reason I couldnt post the link but google Hot dog vendor recession

Joe H

Re: recession part 2
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2008, 10:59:59 pm »
The forum wont let you post a link

just put the address without the www. and everyone should know what you mean.

Neil Mc Anulty

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Re: recession part 2
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2008, 11:07:14 pm »
There was this elderly man who had a profitable little business selling hot dogs on a busy street corner in a major city. He wasn’t particularly well educated, but he sold great hot dogs and his customers loved him.

During the early morning rush hour, he’d wheel his mobile hot dog stand to position it near the exit of the central railway station in town. A year ago he’d added a bacon and egg roll to his range and sold scores of them to this breakfast crowd every day. At lunchtime, he’d move his stand to a popular park where he had lines of regulars.

In the afternoon he’d be back at the station entrance and then later most nights he knew a great spot near a nightclub where young patrons rushed him off his feet. He had even installed special lighting and a flashing neon sign. Even people driving by would stop.

He’d worked hard for years and done well enough to put his only son through university who later became an accountant with a large accounting firm.

One day his son warned him that a recession was on the way. The old man asked his son what this meant. Being an educated man his son gave a very detailed explanation of how the recession would severely impact everyone in the community, particularly small business people like his father. There would be enormous unemployment; people would not be able to afford to spend money as they did now. He painted a gloomy picture of the future and warned his father that it would be wise to cut back on his expenses and “tighten his belt” financially and prepare for the worst. The old man didn’t know much about the economy or interest rates, but he trusted his son. After all, he was an educated man. Recession mentality kicked in...

The old man began to cut back on the quantity of sausages and bread rolls he bought. He didn’t want to get caught with stale rolls as business began to drop off. But it was hard to judge and some days he actually ran out of sausages and rolls earlier than he normally would. So he went home early and spent more time worrying about this recession that was coming.

   

 

 

 

 

 

Soon he knew that what his son had said was right. He noticed that his takings were indeed falling. This depressed him more and so he tended to get out of bed later each day. After all, why get to the station so early when obviously more people would be eating at home rather than spending money on breakfast in the city. He decided that his bacon
and egg rolls were too expensive for most people now. After all, they were twice the price of a hot dog, so he cut them from his menu and his sales continued to plummet.

Wow, his son was right, this recession was hitting hard!

He decided to save more money and not replace the batteries that powered his neon sign and lights at night. Now because he was in the dark, fewer people bought from him and soon he decided that it wasn’t even worth his time setting up at night. Eventually he decided to sell off his equipment and his trolley. He was in luck though because the young woman who bought his trolley didn’t seem to know how bad business was, or how severe the recession was going to be. He managed to unload the trolley for more than he thought he would get. Now day after day he stayed at home, depressed, and occasionally his son would visit him and they would discuss how bad the recession was, and how lucky the old man had been to have an educated son who had warned him in advance about this terrible recession.

So what’s the moral of this story?

Recession mentality starts in one’s own head. If you believe that a recession is coming and that times will soon be tough, then they will be for you. Like the old man in the story, you’ll start to change your successful behaviour patterns and replace them with less resourceful habits. You’ll sleep in later. You’ll take longer lunch breaks, make less phone calls and go home earlier.

But it needn’t be that way...

Spot On cleaning

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Re: recession part 2
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2008, 11:51:32 pm »
 very good story and very true. Around 1991 / 92 i worked in the cable industry and my earnings exceeded £25000 a year which wasn't bad for this time. People on the other shift pattern could earn more than this as there were more rest days to work at double time for each rest day, and many were hitting £30000 +.

On the corner of the street where the factory entrance was, stood a corner shop and everybody would call in early in the morning before work to stop up on sandwiches and cigarettes etc. When the shift patterns were altered and the overtime was cut, the shop couldn't sustain and folded due to people tightening their belts.

I have done the same as you, and have bothered to go out and post leaflets with lower prices on them. as long as i keep my head above water i don't care what other people are earning, but i won't sit at home waiting for work to come to me, i will look for it. I have a commercial job tomorrow at £495 and will try for 1 commercial job a month to make up the profits.

Dave

clinton

Re: recession part 2
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2008, 11:07:03 am »
I was still geting on my feet in the last slow down in 1992 ish and had to work really hard as i can remember but still got work in.

Just i did not have a large customer base so it made it even harder.

Try and get your outgoings down ie any machine leases,vehicle hp etc as the early new year could be tough :(

Mike Halliday

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Re: recession part 2
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2008, 11:15:34 am »
I read a quote from a pro golfer Last week when an interviewer told him he was the luckiest golfer he'd ever seen

he said " I am a lucky guy, but I realised a long time ago, the more I practiced, the luckier I got"

i don't know what this has to do with this topic, I just liked it ;)

but maybe its similar to the coincidence that " the more I market, the busier I get"
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: recession part 2
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2008, 02:53:59 pm »
That's amazing I'd have never have thought of that!

Some cleaners will drop their prices to become more busier but that is a misnomer because you have to get 2 jobs to make up for the 1 at teh correct money IMO I personally would recommend anyone to put their prices up as 1 job may be enough to pay a big bill but by halving your price you have to get the phone to ring twice as much.

Shaun

gwrightson

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Re: recession part 2
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2008, 04:52:59 pm »
Mike,
a great quote from a great player " excuse the pun" the player was in fact Gary Player.

I believe the actual quote was " The harder i work , the luckier I get "  same difference I guess.

geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

Re: recession part 2
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2008, 04:56:29 pm »
'If you go out of business, it's your fault.'


Now isn't that an empowering statement.

Re: recession part 2
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2008, 04:59:30 pm »
considering the price of everything else is going up, fuel groceries energy etc etc, why should we be putting our prices down, dont forget, our overheads are going up, i think people will be expecting our prices to go up, also if there ever is a recession, it will be the poorer people that will be affected first, ie the ones who want the cheap jobs, and the wealthier ones may be affected less, and they are the ones i will be targeting!!

clinton

Re: recession part 2
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2008, 05:22:52 pm »
Next year might also throw up some good buys for any  c cleaners that want to upgrade or replace there machines.

Bet ebay will be full of used units by next spring ???

John Kelly

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Re: recession part 2
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2008, 06:28:08 pm »
Putting your prices down is a sure way of yours ending up there.

Terry_Burrows

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Re: recession part 2
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2008, 04:45:22 am »
 ??? we have spent a lot of money on adds leaflets etc its dead in essex ::)no one is calling not sure what should or what can you do ???you get the odd job thats it ??? :-\
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John Kelly

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Re: recession part 2
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2008, 07:50:35 am »
Terry don't worry,there has always been these quiet periods. Just carry on doing what you are doing it will get busy again soon believe me. This is another reason why you need to get your pricing right as your income has to cover you over these quiet periods. Don't be tempted to put them down or you'll just end up on a slippery slope.

John Kelly

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Re: recession part 2
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2008, 07:57:33 am »
This is what I posted on Truckmounters a while ago:

Right everyone. Make yourself a cup of tea and read through this. In fact print it off and keep it. Its fascinating and shows you in simple terms the affects of what you are charging and how to manipulate your charges to a) make more profit b) do less work.

htp://www.hospitalitysolutions.ca/pdf/keyleveragecharts.pdf

You need to put an extra t in the http as links have been disabled on here.

Maybe after digesting this it may help to understand the affects of offering discounts and also increasing your prices. This was the only thing I remembered from my business studies which i did before starting up.

Jim_77

Re: recession part 2
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2008, 12:36:10 pm »
Thanks John that's quite an interesting model :)


P.S. Just start the link with the www's ;) www.hospitalitysolutions.ca/pdf/keyleveragecharts.pdf

Re: recession part 2
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2008, 02:19:45 pm »
if im REALLY REALLY quiet, i go door knocking, offering people a 500ml bottle of my log'd spot and stain remover for every free written quote, tends to average 2 jobs booked for a days knocking.

Re: recession part 2
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2008, 07:35:31 pm »
I saw what JK wrote and was food for thought. But then I thought it doesn't mean much in itself.

It depends on how much profit you are getting in the first place and if enough a discount is a small part of the overall profit.

My other thought is that to me profit is over the long term not just on that job with the discount.

If you know how much a client is worth over the long haul you could even make 0% profit or a loss on that first encounter and still be very happy. :)

derek west

Re: recession part 2
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2008, 07:38:38 pm »
i think JK's chart only really appeals to retail.
10 jobs at a loss could evolve into 5 jobs with no advertising in this profession.
derek