[stu_thomson]

Does anyone else have this problem in that when using the wonder wand or other cfr wands come to think of it that the o ring on the final filter bulges out and water sprays out everywhere

 Ive tried over tightening under tightening using silcone grease, even put new ones in but they are ok for a few cleans then it happens again

Never used to happen with my old pro 400 machine with warm tap water but since ive had the new machine with inline heater its a mere, obviously its the hotter water thats causing the problem but has anyone got any answers to this annoying problem

regards

stu

[Joe H]

When I had a Wonder Wand I used to clean that filter at least once a day and only once did I hve the problem you explain. Still used the same O ring and it never happened again. So everything was ok with me.

[Jim_77]

Sounds annoying

Might be tricky but if it's temperature causing the material to become more stretchy, you could try to source O rings of a different material that can stand the heat a bit more?

There's quite a few different grades of rubber used in seals, for differing purposes.  For example, Viton is used for its chemical resistance but may not be so great under high temp.  Maybe if this is they're viton and you don't use a particularly aggressive rinse agent you may be able to get O rings of a more temperature-resistant material?

I'm totally stabbing in the dark here but it may be possible

[Paul Davidson]

When I had a Wonder Wand I used to clean that filter at least once a day and only once did I hve the problem you explain. Still used the same O ring and it never happened again. So everything was ok with me.

Hi Joe,

What wand are you using now, and how does it compare to the wonder wand? (i have a wonder wand and think its great, but have little experience of any other wands) and how do you find your new TM in comparison to your scorpion?

cheers

Paul

[roger underhill]

just out of interest stu, what machine are you using with the wonder wand

[Joe H]

Hello Paul
I used the Wonder Wand in conjunction with the CFR500 I had - great combination.

When I bought the Scorpion 2nd hand off Spencer Davies I tried the W/W with it but, and I dont know why, it didnt feel the same effect was gained.

With the Scorpion and my TM I now use a 12" 2 jet wand that came with the Scorpion from Solutions, and sometimes a 12" 4 jet wand I got from Ashbys. I have a Greenglide on the 2 jet. Both are 1.5" tube. Both the Scorpion and TM is on 2" hoses.

Difference between the TM and the Scorpion?
Time mainly.
That is the set up and shut down time. I have used the Scorpion quite a lot this last few weeks due to nature of the jobs, and was reminded of all the bucketing of clean water and then the dirty water, plus getting the extension cables set up for electrics (3 cables - 2 for the machine, 1 for the external heater).
Did a job yesterday with the TM. Took me 2 hours from getting there to driving away. Done it with the Scorpion in Jan and it was 3 hours (ish).

As brilliant as the Scorpion is as a c/c machine, I have to say the TM is better, and mine is "only" a 18hp machine (sort of bottom of the range ).

I am just glad that my "backup" machine (the Scorpion) is such a good machine. If it was anything less of a machine then the times you have to use it would really make life really difficult by comparison.

The one thing I dislike about the TM machines is when you get back to base (home) you have to dispose of a load of dirty water down the sewer drain (Prowler is the exception).
So you come home and just all you  want to do is have a shower/bath, and it may be raining or windy, and you have to do a bit more - its only 10 minutes but thats the part I dont like. And also cleaning out the waste basket - collects all the rubbish from the carpet into the waste tank. Thats a stinky job.

[stu_thomson]

Hi Roger, Im using the cfr pro 400 with inline heater, maybe have to check out a few local dealers for different o rings

regards
stu

[clinton]

Sound like your going good there joe with your new toy

When i spoke to you joe you said that was the least of your favorite jobs at the end of the day.

Am sure if you ever sell your scorpion there will be a buyer somwere for it no probs..

[Joe H]

Clinton

even a TMer needs a portable for some of the jobs.

If I sold the Scorpion tomorrow - I would need to buy another portable.

What would I get?  Nothing matches the Scorpion.

[clinton]

 

Think with the three vacs that has an advantage over most other porties joe.

Have never seen any used ones for sale 

[Jim_77]

Maybe an indicator of something!

[clinton]

Think it does jim

Am sure a used one would get snaped up.

There again someone going into c cleaning from new will not spend that much on a machine so its guys like me who would move up to a more powerfull portable machine rather going up to a t mount...

[Joe H]

I got mine, Clinton, by advertising on the forums for a 2nd hand unit.
Nick (Solutions UK) relied to my post saying "youll be lucky - rare as hens teeth".
Fortunately Spencer Davies replied - for what ever reason he was stadardising on the Speedster and would be willing to let go of his Scorpion.
Im up here in Warrington and hes down there in Eastbourne - some drive!
Fortunately he said he would travel to Heathrow - so thats where we met, a little village at the end of one of the runways.
Three months later I converted it to 2" hosing and what a difference that made - like it could breathe easier.

[clinton]

Think your right as saying there rare joe

[Karl Wildey]

Stu,
You got a leaking ring, sounds like too much beer lol

[Paul Davidson]

Hello Paul
I used the Wonder Wand in conjunction with the CFR500 I had - great combination.

When I bought the Scorpion 2nd hand off Spencer Davies I tried the W/W with it but, and I dont know why, it didnt feel the same effect was gained.

With the Scorpion and my TM I now use a 12" 2 jet wand that came with the Scorpion from Solutions, and sometimes a 12" 4 jet wand I got from Ashbys. I have a Greenglide on the 2 jet. Both are 1.5" tube. Both the Scorpion and TM is on 2" hoses.

Difference between the TM and the Scorpion?
Time mainly.
That is the set up and shut down time. I have used the Scorpion quite a lot this last few weeks due to nature of the jobs, and was reminded of all the bucketing of clean water and then the dirty water, plus getting the extension cables set up for electrics (3 cables - 2 for the machine, 1 for the external heater).
Did a job yesterday with the TM. Took me 2 hours from getting there to driving away. Done it with the Scorpion in Jan and it was 3 hours (ish).

As brilliant as the Scorpion is as a c/c machine, I have to say the TM is better, and mine is "only" a 18hp machine (sort of bottom of the range ).

I am just glad that my "backup" machine (the Scorpion) is such a good machine. If it was anything less of a machine then the times you have to use it would really make life really difficult by comparison.

The one thing I dislike about the TM machines is when you get back to base (home) you have to dispose of a load of dirty water down the sewer drain (Prowler is the exception).
So you come home and just all you  want to do is have a shower/bath, and it may be raining or windy, and you have to do a bit more - its only 10 minutes but thats the part I dont like. And also cleaning out the waste basket - collects all the rubbish from the carpet into the waste tank. Thats a stinky job.

Joe,

Thanks very much for your input,   I really like the wonder wand and the fact that you know it is leaving less water in the carpet is a bonus, but as said previously i havnt much experience of anything else to compare it against! (i have had no problems with the O ring but have no in-line heater)

I use a CFR pro 400 so dont have too many issues with refilling and emptying the machine during cleaning, but that is countered by the daily emptying and cleaning of the smelly filters etc, having said that, its performing very well and i am happy, as my customers are very happy with results we are getting (I am using one step and a sebo before extraction).

I think i would like a TM as a time saving piece of equipment rather than it being needed to improve the quality of the job as i seem to waste way too much time setting up and clearing away!  Being able to turn up at a job and just get on with it would be a bonus!

The Scorpion set up as a TM with the tanks etc looks a good set up, but i was concerned that it was not powerfull enough on a day to day basis with the neccesary long hoses that are required?

Does anyone on the forum use a Scorpion as a TM?

Anyways thanks again for your input,

Cheers

Paul

[Joe H]

Paul
No experiance with the twin tanks - I have an idea that Ken Wainwright might be using them now. He was in the process of setting them up on a frame in his van.
I have seen a photo of the twin tanks mounted in a frame and the machine also ion the van. Looked neat.
If you doing domestic c/c I dont think the Scorpion and van mounted tanks will be a problem.
Most houses only need 50' of hose to get to every room.
With the van outside the house even 100' of hose would be more then sufficient.
At 100' the Scorpion with 2" hose will still be pulling well, and 2" is standard now.
Got to get your electric cables sorted though, getting them from the van into the house - not too big a problem, can easily be overcome.

[Adam Fearnley]

Hi, what are the benefits of a 2'' hose?? You say it breathes easier, does this increase the airflow rate?  Does it increase the suction aswell?

[Joe H]

Digging up an old thread Adam!
Certainly the airflow is more efficient as there is more room in the hose so it is less disturbed.
Drying times improve as well.
Not all machines will benefit from 2" hoses though.
Few more 3 vac machines on the market now.

[sanjuro]

I run a Scorpion from my van it works great with 100ft of hose i have never had to go any further than that but i have tested it with 175ft and it was usable but not great (i did also try 175ft with the power booster box and another 25ft of 1.5'' hose for 200ft in total and it was great very workable and not too far off the performance of 100ft) i dont ever see me using that sort of set up but its nice to know it would be workable.