[Ed Valentine]

Thanks, Andrew, for your post and mention of your purchase. I hope it will do everything you intend it to do to your advantage.

However, allow me to please mention and clarify that the SCORPION-XPS system differs like nite and day to the older Model RECOILS of the past. Just about----everything------under the hood is of different design and up-graded componetry & wiring.

BTW, for the Gentleman who may have suggested (??) or asked what I might drive? Well, unfortunately I must be behind the times here because I do not ride in a horse and buggy carriage as your QUEEN does.................rather my ride is not the "best style" or best looking car as I have been told, but it is one heck of a quality built and excellant riding automobile.



Oh,.................................it's a BMW.


Thanks to all, BTW, for the long thread and subject. As I understand, took a nice sale because of it! Think we'll hire Richie or a couple others above as our European Sales manager! My sincere Thanks again, Richie. You are a good person and professional. (Great pay ,company car & expenses included)

The very best;
Ed Valentine
cross-american corp.

[mark shannon]

I second Andrews comments and have run a Recoil for 4 years far and away the best Porty i have ever owned.

Got the happy custys to prove it 

[Len Gribble]

The way I see it A&M Watford done a day out JB brought one joined forcipes with nick then set in motion, have no doubt a capable machine, but matching against my machine a no hoper

Ed

Now if you said VW I would believe you, the one designed by the Belgium I want one

Len

[Ed Valentine]

Len;

This kind of reminds me of the one youngster in the school yard yelling to another:

"My Papa is better than yours"! NA-NA-NANA-NA.

Ok, I don't care about who's foot size is bigger than mine THEN but, I'll put up this challange:

Someday when you spend all your Billions of money you have saved from the cleaning Industry, fly over to the good old USA and you'll be my guest for a day or two. Then I'll have you drive that ugly looking (promise you won't look at the outside!!!)  2007 BMW of mine and see if it isn't what's under the hood that really counts. Oh, btw, I forgot to mention that you had better not be wearing that Beatle Wig------it may fly off on acceleration!!!!


(hee-hee-hee!)

The very best, sir & I was just kidding with you;
Ed Valentine
(PS: And all this time you thought I was kidding! Come on over and see us sometime as our Guest!)

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I've had 3 BMW's nice cars nothing to brag about compared to my Rolls Royce I had, apart from RR do between 8 and 12 miles to the gallon.

Portis are great for some but the high end earners use TM's even Chemdry are moving that way.

Look at the real marketing gurus like Howard Partridge he has loads of them.

Shaun

[garyj]

I think my post was misinterpreted, misread or wasn't read at all ( most likely ). I didn't ask what car you drive now, I asked ( tongue in cheek ) what car were you driving when the Recoil was designed, it was supposed to be a bit light hearted, was not expecting our Most Gracious Monarch to be brought into it and certainly not The Beatles  .

Don't think anyone is doubting the power it has for a portable, it just isn't aesthetically pleasing, it has looks only a mother ( or father ) could love.

So when was this machine conceived? Even Richie said it was ugly, and he is a "good person". I can be good too, so can I come and stay with you as well.
A new European Marketing Manager??, now that is a good idea

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Richie saying something is ugly is a bit like the kettle calling the pot black

Shaun

[mark shannon]

It ain't the machine looks that count, its the way you present and sell yourself, before, during and after job that counts.

Be polite, look clean and smartly dressed, do the best job possible is far, far more important than how pretty your machine is.

That said a TM , as Shaun says, must be a fantastic marketing tool.

[Andrew Briscoe]

Yes my recoil is ugly, but it sure makes me look good
and i am the best looking cc in my town
Andrew

[garyj]

unfortunately population of my area is 24 per Km2  the lowest in country

Andrew

and i am the best looking cc in my town

I should imagine you are the only carpet cleaner in the town then 

[Andrew Briscoe]

done your reading there Gary.
population is 14000
think our council area is 50000.
which covers an area of roughly 15 miles in all directions from me. Very rural, too many lakes and fells and sheep :

Which is why after 20 years cc i still run a porty, have other parts to my business to make a living.

Andrew

[richie]

Shaun,
As already said by others.....it dont matter what it looks like its what s inside & how it performs that counts.  Im GREAT insde & PERFORM VERY WELL.

If i was in the market for a portable and was not concerned about price as many are i would by either a Ninja or a Scorpion.  As far as portables go,  they both perform very well.  NO im not going soft as i would choose a TM every time over a porty but im just pointing out that the 2 mentioned portys are good considoring their power limitations.

Richie.

[Joe H]

Joe, I sometimes wonder if you have fallen for the same speel

I am sure I have stated this in a post before Geoff, but just over 12 months ago I had never heared of the Scorpion, Solutions UK, nor Nick V-W.
It ws only by joining this forum and "listening" to all the knockers of the machine or the business or the individual (or all 3 at the same time) did I become interested in what it and they were about.
It was then that I got interested.
and I didnt "fall" for any speel - cause what was supposed to have been said was long before my time.

What I fell for was the performance of the machinery, not its looks, and the potential for it to do a better clean then I had been doing with my very adequate CFR500.
Oh! and regarding the CFR500  and looks, more then a few clients said it looks like a dustbin, and lets face it most portables are of a similar design, the Ninja being perhaps like the old rounder dustbin.

and regarding high end portables performing like TM's, no one seem to have picked up on the copy/paste I took from the Hydramaster site re the Raptor 230H, here it is again....

.......maximum “truckmount” like performance........

I dont knock other machines, if I aint had one or tried one for a decent period I say so. (check back thro all my posts if you like)
All those portables I mentioned earlier with some of their spec and prices, that was not to knock them, but to show they are all around the same price, cause the high price of the Scorpion was highlighted...... and they are as high as each other.
What I can say with complete freedom of speech is that the Scorpion is a very good portable, more then capable of doing a very good job.

What is of interest is where R&D and innovative men like Ed Valentine, John Bolton and many others will take the machines in the future.

[Ian Gourlay]

I was a bit concerned about the start of the thread post as I wondered what the motive was especially as the owner of the Scorpian was not identifed which makes it hard to verfy the facts.
Why not pick on The Ninja, Advance  Powflite etc After all Ninja is not a great looker

I was considering getting a 600 psi portable in Jiune ,July and then papers were full of Credit Crunch Sales dropped I got depressed and thought do I  need it,

I am now concerned about the alleged noise of such pumps  and wonder if they are a step to far for portables, and if portable owners want to do tile and grout etc find some other method.

Its good to know some carpet cleaners can afford  Rolls Royces but if I was that Rich i would not be Cleanng Carpets.

I still do understand with the internet International Shpping etc why Us companies do not ship direct to UK

Itsw no further across the  Atlantic than it is North to South  or East to West

But the pound has falen against the dollar so what looked like Bargains  on the other side of the pond might not be anymore

[richie]

Hi Ian,

I didnt mention the name of the Scorpion owner because he does not post on these boards.

Richie.

[Jim_77]

I have my doubts as to whether 500/600psi is really that much more use than lower pressures for hard surface cleaning.

I'd have thought you'd need to be in the thousands of psi to actually clean by pressure and nothing else.  Doing it our way we're using chemical, agitation and time as well as the sheer brute force of blasting water at the surface.

I'll stand corrected if anyone else has found different though

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Ian I had a RR for another business, but CC gives me cash flow and obviously profit, I needed that a few years ago to juggle with paying at one time 4 morgages.

Shaun

[prodry]

Ian I had a RR for another business

Were you a dictator of a small african country?

[Shaun_Ashmore]

The very small island of 'wedding hire' makes a very small profit and the partners caused an uprising when it wanted a new clutch and I was left with the bill.

Shaun

[mark_roberts]

My truckmount broke today and i had to use my portable to finish the job.

A tm owner still needs a portable so why not buy the most powerful one.

ED

You have developed a great machine but over here we need extra refinement such as mentioned.  No doubt youd sell more.

Mark