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ftp

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2008, 07:13:42 pm »
You're going to have to invent one then Discount. Serving spoon and sellotape perhaps?

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2008, 07:28:04 pm »
Well for a start it should have been offset. Gardiner's tool shaft connects at the middle of the paddle, this should have been to the side because of the very many narrow openings because of tile overhang.

Jeff's version two doesn't address this either (we haven't seen version 3)

Offset - that sounds a good idea.

Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2008, 07:58:00 pm »
That's what i had in mind, a scoop, a hook, a spike.

Can't do anything about the hook, but if you use it to push the muck along, thats the scoop, and if the debris is dry and compact and you would like to break it up with a spike like tool then by turning the pole in towards the gutter the paddle would present it's side profile and cut the crusty bits and break things up more like a plough. You would then go back along using it in it's scoop mode to collect the dirt to one end.

Marky Thomas

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2008, 08:35:11 pm »
£50?  LOL!

Get up yer ladders an ddo it properly not fannying around with gadjets like this.

 ::)

Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2008, 08:51:21 pm »
Most people who ask me only want to pay £20. With this tool it would take  about seven minutes.

If they pay fifty or more, granted they expect a bit more theatre, a ladderclimb every four feet and some grazed knuckles.

jeff1

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2008, 08:54:56 pm »
Well for a start it should have been offset. Gardiner's tool shaft connects at the middle of the paddle, this should have been to the side because of the very many narrow openings because of tile overhang.

Jeff's version two doesn't address this either (we haven't seen version 3)
Hi Clive
The off-set is a good idea, I've been working on one but its been on the back burner for the past couple of weeks.

The thing is, the range of attachments would have to be varied, I remember doing one gutter cleaning job when I was still on the ladders and the only way I could clean it was with small flat bar I had available at the time, there was just no room between the tile and the guttering edge, it was just over one finger wide gap, clearly no scoop would do this task.

Even with a gutter spike, once the guttering muck is soaking wet, this would has limited affect on clearing it, unless it was full of weeds.
On my Mk3 version I added a bar across it to add strength because it was bending when I came across a guttering Job that turned out to be a really bad weeding Job.
The third improvment I made to it, was the addition of a flat edge scoop for the square section guttering, this just slides onto the spoon scoop you seen in the photo's.

Marky Thomas

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2008, 09:29:39 pm »
Most people who ask me only want to pay £20. With this tool it would take  about seven minutes.

If they pay fifty or more, granted they expect a bit more theatre, a ladderclimb every four feet and some grazed knuckles.
7 minutes to clear a house gutters?!!!

This is a Friday night laughin with Rowan and that other American bloke.

7 minutes.   ::) ::) ::) ::)

ftp

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2008, 09:35:08 pm »
Think your going to struggle to clear a gutter with a scoop but ok for a short length or a small plantation.

Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2008, 09:37:54 pm »
Would you agree that if the right tools were available there would be no need for a gutter vac or a pressure lance?

You would still be allowed the remote camera.


Rowan and martin was thirty years ago.You are now posting on the most technicaly advanced interenet forum on the planet and commenting to industry experts and pioneering inventors. Jeff and Alex are also very knowledgeable.Nathaneal not so much but he gets by.

ftp

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2008, 09:42:35 pm »
Um, i like the idea of cleaning by ploughing through the gutter, i just don't think it can be easily achieved for a full clean. Come on Discount get your thinking cap on and come up with a jaw dropping solution. (by 10:30pm please)

Marky Thomas

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2008, 09:59:53 pm »
Has anyone actually looked at this thing?  ;D


Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2008, 10:01:11 pm »
Has anyone actually looked at this thing?  ;D



Thanks for posting the picture again - reminds people how great it will be hooked over a gutter  ;D  ;D

Marky Thomas

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2008, 10:10:32 pm »
That's not the only thing that I could drape over a gutter.  Limp.

ftp

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2008, 10:11:50 pm »
Right, own up, who's bought one? I want a full gutterscoop review please.  :)

jeff1

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2008, 10:13:49 pm »
Think your going to struggle to clear a gutter with a scoop but ok for a short length or a small plantation.
How wrong you can be, This next extraction I posted on another forum, but it shows what can be done and both Jobs were completed in 70 minutes, with a home made scoop, I recon if I was using Alex's scoop the time would have been reduced.

The Mk1 scoop I designed and made was put to Good use today, at 7:00am this morning Shell and I had 2 guttering Jobs to do, they were not a complete clean Job just a clear out.
Now these Jobs were on a busy road and with 1 being the main shop of the village, it becomes very busy during the week, early Sunday morning was the only option open to us for minimum disruption to ourselves.

As you can see from the pictures the whole length of guttering was a solid extra garden, to use the gutter lance would have been possible but very time consuming, I decided to give my Mk1 gutter scoop a try out and I must admit, I was more than impressed with it, I was able to slide it under the deep rooted mass with ease and scoop out the garden.

I did have one scare when the Mk1 became detached from my pole and was hanging out of the guttering, what had happened was, With all the twisting and pushing I inadvertently unscrewed the elbow joint from my pole, luckily I was able to re-screw the pole back into the Mk1 from the ground, It does need a bolt through it somehow, the Mk1 is bolted to the elbow but the elbow is not bolted to the pole.

Signs and Hi-vis Jackets plus Shell standing as H&S officer was the order of the day.
You can see a bit of the muck on the floor, Once the Gutters were clear, the cleaning up began, Hard broom and shovel with a few buckets of water from the shop and the first big Job was complete, the second Job was the restaurant opposite, Just beyond the scaffold in one of the pictures, this Job had a garden in it as well, but withing 10 minutes the second Job was complete, the 2 Jobs were done in 70 minutes including cleaning time, then it was back home in time for breakfast.

The garden you see in this picture run the full length of the guttering





Just a tiny bit of the mess to clean up.

Job Done

The full run finished

Marky Thomas

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2008, 10:17:14 pm »
Can you even begin to imagine the force with what you have to hold the pole to get anything like a good purchse on the crap in the gutter with this thing?!!!!

It looks like it should work, but only if you have the equivalent of twenty centurion tanks helping you twist against the crud barrier.!

NWH

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2008, 10:49:30 pm »
To much like hard work using a pole from the ground.

ftp

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2008, 10:55:14 pm »
Might not be if you can hook over and pull rather than push?

jeff1

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Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2008, 11:02:56 pm »
Thank God for that  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  I was looking for the precision engineering  ;D

Re: Gardiners New Gutter Scoop
« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2008, 11:04:00 pm »
Now that....




is a piece of precision engineering.


May I congratulate you Jeff on the hard-work and industrious attitude you must possess to be able to manufacture a tool of such exacting quality  ;)
Now Matt, do I take that as a compliment or a Mickey take Lol






 ;D  ;D  ;D

yesssss, I were havin a laff  ;)

all in the best possible taste and no offence meant mate  :)