[john tomkins]

Come on then pj, let me in on it as I've got one on order, don't worry about the others

[NWH]

Maybe it's me, but reading this thread so far there seems to be more confusion than ever!

By the way, I used the Superlite DT for the first time today.  I had a lot of groundfloor stuff to do, I deliberately started on that so I could see the results up close.

That was a waste of time,you get far more action on the downstairs glass than you do on the tops.You could use anything downstairs and get results,for upstairs you want minimal brushing for results.

Thanks for the encouragement!
Actually I found out exactly what I wanted to know about it's performance up close.  a lot more than from reading these bipolar opinions

It sounds like your one of these people that couldn`t careless what brush they use,i do.The right brush won`t save you minutes it will save you hours over the course of the month beleive me,having to keep checking windows all the time no no that`s not for me.I am giving an opinion that will help everyone on here,it may sound like i`m being brash i`m sorry if that`s how i come across but Alex will know what i`m talking about he`s as fussy as me.This brush on the SL2 is good but could be better and Alex is addressing this,after speaking to Alex on many occasions i know he will listen and try his best he knows i`m not knocking him,he`s after all a pioneer really when it comes to WFP and does all he can to help.

[Pj]

Well, I like the fact that the bristles are white - easier to see if its clogging.
It is a little small but very light.
Performance:  A bit more spring in the bristles than the old flocked Vikan and the dual trim Ionics, but not as much as Gaz's old brush, probably a bit stiffer than most Bentleys; what this means for me is that it is just soft enough to sweep across the glass without streaking, but stiff enough to hack at impacted soilage.
The inner part of trim is good and stiff as you want it to be.
The downside is that the inner bristle part is too small - not in length just not enough bristles, and theres not really enough bristles for my liking on the whole brush.
Apart from that I am confident it will work well for me on quite a big Edwardian first clean for a year tomorrow.  I'm doing the insides too so I'll know exactly how it performs.
Oh and you can 'rinse on' with it better than any brush I've used before...........so far........but I've only been wfp 3 years

[Kevin R]

Well, I like the fact that the bristles are white - easier to see if its clogging.

Oh and you can 'rinse on' with it better than any brush I've used before...........so far........but I've only been wfp 3 years

White bristles - fantastic - by far the best colour and the best brush I have ever seen for rinsing on too. Particularly useful at height -which I believe it was designed for 

[NWH]

I can`t remember anyone saying it was designed specifically for great height,i thought it-they were supposed to compliment the SLX or similar.Saying that they work better at height and on a light pole ie SL2.

[boshravie]

Hi guys
Well, we cleaned a really dirty under the gutters and windows the other day and it came out perfect, the secret is the combination of hot water, super light brush and fan jets.

Long live SLX-2


Regards

Bosh

[[GQC] Tim]

A little while ago people were talking about that a mono brush is essential for brush on rinsing (including NWH if I recall correctly, not an attack, just an observation) and now flocked is preferred by some, and that it doesn't make a difference to brush on rinsing.

Am I the only one that is very confused by all this?

I'm not sure I really understand the wire brush effect? I haven't had any of that on first cleans, are you guys talking about little spots going over the top of the glass sort of in pattern that you can see has been caused by the brush? I rarely get that, only if windows are very badly beading I get that now and then, and even then it's only a little bit. Never have that on sheeting windows.

[ftp]

I think they are talking about really filthy glass that won't clean properly in one pass and so is still on the glass with bristle trails running through it.
I'm also suprised about the sudden turn about in flocked brush popularity. 
In my opinion you want a selection of brushes anyway to suit different jobs if you want perfection.

[NWH]

A little while ago people were talking about that a mono brush is essential for brush on rinsing (including NWH if I recall correctly, not an attack, just an observation) and now flocked is preferred by some, and that it doesn't make a difference to brush on rinsing.

Am I the only one that is very confused by all this?

I'm not sure I really understand the wire brush effect? I haven't had any of that on first cleans, are you guys talking about little spots going over the top of the glass sort of in pattern that you can see has been caused by the brush? I rarely get that, only if windows are very badly beading I get that now and then, and even then it's only a little bit. Never have that on sheeting windows.

Mono brushes are the best but only if they have loads and loads and loads of bristles,this brush dosen`t.

[ftp]

Trouble is, if you stuff it with bristles then it won't splay so well.

[NWH]

Trouble is, if you stuff it with bristles then it won't splay so well.

The amount of bristles has nothing to do with it,length of bristles  determines the splay.

[ftp]

Seems like you will have to invent one then NWH 

[NWH]

Alex has THE brush and when he sends me a flocked 1 to try i`ll be happy,in single trim of course.

[[GQC] Tim]

Mono brushes are the best but only if they have loads and loads and loads of bristles,this brush doesn`t.

Alex has THE brush and when he sends me a flocked 1 to try i`ll be happy,in single trim of course.

Hold on, those two comments are totally opposite? First post you say mono's are the best providing they have enough bristles, and the current SP doesn't have that, and second post says that this is THE brush, but it isn't the best because it's not flocked, while the first post said Mono's are the best.   

So basically, you do not want a flocked brush, you want the current mono brush but then with more bristles? Correct?

[Moderator David@stives]

Flocked brushes are the best especially the square vikan, nothing comes close.

We have tried everything and we keep coming back to vikans.

Well they are the worlds leading cleaning brush manufacturers.

[NWH]

Mono brushes are the best but only if they have loads and loads and loads of bristles,this brush doesn`t.

Alex has THE brush and when he sends me a flocked 1 to try i`ll be happy,in single trim of course.

Hold on, those two comments are totally opposite? First post you say mono's are the best providing they have enough bristles, and the current SP doesn't have that, and second post says that this is THE brush, but it isn't the best because it's not flocked, while the first post said Mono's are the best.   

So basically, you do not want a flocked brush, you want the current mono brush but then with more bristles? Correct?

Mono brushes will leave less far less particals of dirt on the glass over a flocked brush making them better for rinsing on the glass which i do,if you use a flocked brush you can tilt the brush and rinse half on the glass making cleaning almost as quick as the mono,if you use more water it`s as quick.I`m not saying a mono cleans any better i`m saying it`s quicker in use as you can rinse on the glass better,up and till now there hasn`t been a flocked brush on the market that was light enough to use allday long there all heavy IMO,for overall cleaning results ie frames glass sills a flocked brush performs better in all 3 departments but is not quicker because of it`s weight.The main thing i`m trying to say is that if this brush was flocked it`s so so light that if you use enough water you WILL be able to rinse on with a slight tilt,Look at a flocked brush an oval-sill-square there all far far to heavy for our job if you flock this brush you have the perfect bristle for cleaning but the main thing you have is that it weighs nothing.As Elvis would say thank you very much.

[ftp]

Errr, the Bentley is flocked and the lightest available but crap in your opinion?

[NWH]

Errr, the Bentley is flocked and the lightest available but crap in your opinion?

I wouldn`t even mention that brush with anything to do with WC,look at a vikan flocked brush and imagine that on the end of a mega light stock like Alex`s new 1.You then have the ultimate brush bar none,flocked brushes do hold dirt yes but it`s minimal with the odd flick through the bristles with the fingers from time to time if there mantainance cleans.Like i say with plenty of water when using it and tilting on to rinse you would get top results,the new brushes as they are do an exellent job at great height but we don`t all work at great height all of the time the majority of us work at 20-25ft most of the time from day to day.We don`t argue that the vikans do a good job but the are just to heavy for WFP,if vikan got there heads out of there back sides they could make a fortune if they designed a mega light brush for WC,they have the machinery and skills to do it yet 1 never seems to appear.

[[GQC] Tim]

NWH, thank you very much for all that, I understand it a lot better now.

Is there such a big difference between the mono rectangular and the flocked rectangular? Because you really don't like the mono do you? Is it because it's flocked it melts on the glass?

[NWH]

NWH, thank you very much for all that, I understand it a lot better now.

Is there such a big difference between the mono rectangular and the flocked rectangular? Because you really don't like the mono do you? Is it because it's flocked it melts on the glass?

Yes,the flocked flexes better and in general cleans far better.The mono vikan square flicks bits around everywhere and leaves spots IMO,although there both heavy to use the flocked version beats the same in mono hands down.