[trevor perry]

used it today to clean some large 3 storey windows , they are only cleaned anually so really dirty when they had dried there where loads of brush marks and looked a mess i did them again with the bentley and they came perfect.
   although i still think the supalite double trim is brilliant for maintenance cleans i dont think it is much good for one offs or yearly cleans but would like to here if anyone else has found similar on any work they have done.

[[GQC] Tim]

Of course they came up perfect when you did them again with the Bentley, you did them them twice. 

Probably should have spent a bit more time on scrubbing and rinsing.

First cleans are great here.

[trevor perry]

no i did some again with the supalite and they still wasnt right, i think it is just monafilament bristles are not any good on certain types of dirt and you need to use flocked bristles on these, i am not trying to critisize the brush as i think it is brilliant but just pointing out that one type of brush does not suit all situations.

[NWH]

Of course they came up perfect when you did them again with the Bentley, you did them them twice. 

Probably should have spent a bit more time on scrubbing and rinsing.

First cleans are great here.

You shouldn`t need to keep scrubbing with any brush,that full trim brush needs to be flocked.If it was flocked it would be perfect for 1st cleans,as it is i only find it any good for regular cleans.The full trim is 10 times the brush the double trim is,the full trim holds no dirt which is good but that dosen`t bother me much anyway as i use a good amount of water even on regular cleans,IMO the full trim with flocked ends would be as close to the perfect brush there is.

[trevor perry]

You shouldn`t need to keep scrubbing with any brush,that full trim brush needs to be flocked.If it was flocked it would be perfect for 1st cleans,as it is i only find it any good for regular cleans.The full trim is 10 times the brush the double trim is,the full trim holds no dirt which is good but that dosen`t bother me much anyway as i use a good amount of water even on regular cleans,IMO the full trim with flocked ends would be as close to the perfect brush there is.

totally agree i hope alex brings one out.

[Jeff Brimble]

Mono can leave tracks like a wire brush effect on initial type cleans, as said the flocked on the second clean probably smoothed the fine marks.
But I still dont think much of flocked 

[NWH]

If it was flocked it could be a bit stiffer as the flagged ends would soften the overall brush,IMO the full trim is usable but like i say would benefit from being flocked.Your looking for the same weight as it is already with vikan flocked style ends,i would also add a lot more bristles cos when there wet they go to nothing,as said that weighted brush in that form would be very very hard to beat.

[trevor perry]

NWH i totally agree with everything you are saying, i personally think the perfect brush would be if we took alex single trim monafilament brush but in the centre area had a good area of flocked bristles this way it would have the scrubbing power of monafilament but with the good finish that flocked achieves, what are your thoughts on this.

[NWH]

Mono can leave tracks like a wire brush effect on initial type cleans, as said the flocked on the second clean probably smoothed the fine marks.
But I still dont think much of flocked 

Flocked is the only way to be sure your removing all dirt from edges,like you Jeff i`ve tried and tested brushes by the lorry load and with this brush we are almost there,as you know weight is the issue and with this brush the weight is perfect.Being flocked makes no difference if you use enough water and with this brush being so light it`s easy peasy to tilt the brush and rinse on the glass,i have the same problem with this brush and the double trim as with the bentley it dosen`t totally clean a dirty window it leaves brush lines behind and this is only due to the style of bristle.Flagged ends will stop this problem and turn this brush into the best lightest brush on the market.Also with flagged ends on this brush will also make it easier to do sills and frames.

[NWH]

NWH i totally agree with everything you are saying, i personally think the perfect brush would be if we took alex single trim monafilament brush but in the centre area had a good area of flocked bristles this way it would have the scrubbing power of monafilament but with the good finish that flocked achieves, what are your thoughts on this.

I disagree with that Trevor,IMO this inner bristle business is and old wives tail if you ask me.I would totally flock that brush and by doing this i would be sure that it would do the job,a mono brush is good because it holds next to no dirt or bits but to be effective in cleaning mode it has to have loads and loads of bristles to give the same glass coverage that a flagged brush does otherwise you will have this problem of leaving brush lines.To test it for yourself use a green mono brush like the 1 on Essentially Pures website,this is a mono but leaves no brush lines at all.

[Alex Gardiner]

Not every brush will suit every situation or worker. A lot will depend on the type of dirt that is on the windows.

I have just come back from doing a first clean on a new apartment block and I used the Super-Lite Double-Trim on a variety of poles. I found that it cleaned up really well with no second cleaning needed. I do always scrub and rinse twice on first cleans though.

I'm still not sure which I prefer - the single or the double trim brush. I used the DT on a lot of Georgian windows today and found it to be a lot faster than my previous prototype brush I used and far better than the Vikans or the Bentley. I think that the DT is definitely more suited to high level work as it cleans with minimum effort. My Dad is a very hard window cleaner to please and he has said nothing much about the double trim version (although he has used it happily for many hours now!), but after using the single trim for a day he did actually say that it was a nice brush. I think it probably comes down to the type of work being carried out.

So did I read it right above that NWH prefers the ST brush, but would like it in a flocked version?

[NWH]

That single trim in flocked would be the ultimate brush IMO,you know me i`m not fussy when it comes to brushes lol.I do honestly think that if most tried it in flocked form they would love it much much more,the single trim that is.

[Oakley Windows]

used it today to clean some large 3 storey windows , they are only cleaned anually so really dirty when they had dried there where loads of brush marks and looked a mess i did them again with the bentley and they came perfect.
   although i still think the supalite double trim is brilliant for maintenance cleans i dont think it is much good for one offs or yearly cleans but would like to here if anyone else has found similar on any work they have done.

I did a first clean today with Alex's single trim. The place was very dirty, an old farmhouse with sash windows.

Now Id been using the brush all day and love it so far, it feels like theres nothing on the pole, so light. Anyway I did one of these sash windows and went back to have a lookie halfway throguh the job and as trevor has already said I found also dirty glass and filth still on the window. I gave it another go over and Im sure everything was fine.

Now I wouldnt usually use a brush of this nature for a first clean, I feel on first cleans theres a real need to get some action on a first clean. To me this brush is unsuitable for that, too soft, I think a vikan is a good brush for first clean, as theyre so stiff.

The only reason I used Alexs brush on this particular property was becasue of the style of windows and some looked a little dodgy structurally  hoepfully all will be well next time but it has to be a vikan from now on on most first cleans followed by the superlight on any subsequent cleans.

It seems to me that the superlight is a superb window-cleaning brush obviously designed by a window-cleaner; unfortunately no one brush can cover every angle.

Matt

[Oakley Windows]

but with the good finish that flocked achieves

Could you explain this a little further please?

[Pj]

Maybe it's me, but reading this thread so far there seems to be more confusion than ever!

By the way, I used the Superlite DT for the first time today.  I had a lot of groundfloor stuff to do, I deliberately started on that so I could see the results up close.

[NWH]

Maybe it's me, but reading this thread so far there seems to be more confusion than ever!

By the way, I used the Superlite DT for the first time today.  I had a lot of groundfloor stuff to do, I deliberately started on that so I could see the results up close.

That was a waste of time,you get far more action on the downstairs glass than you do on the tops.You could use anything downstairs and get results,for upstairs you want minimal brushing for results.

[trevor perry]

but with the good finish that flocked achieves

Could you explain this a little further please?

 hard to explain but what i mean is a flocked brush seems to cover the glass more and wipe the dirt off without bouncing over it , this can be seen when you do windows with runs that come out off the black rubber seals a flocked brush will wipe these of first attempt wheras a monafilament brush seems to ride over the top, i suppose what i am trying to say is a flocked brush must get into the uneven glass surface better than monofilament brush.(i hope that makes sense i have never been good at explaining what i mean)

[windowwashers]

so which is better for an all round brush, single or double trim ??

[trevor perry]

so which is better for an all round brush, single or double trim ??

me personally would say single trim.

[Pj]

Maybe it's me, but reading this thread so far there seems to be more confusion than ever!

By the way, I used the Superlite DT for the first time today.  I had a lot of groundfloor stuff to do, I deliberately started on that so I could see the results up close.

That was a waste of time,you get far more action on the downstairs glass than you do on the tops.You could use anything downstairs and get results,for upstairs you want minimal brushing for results.

Thanks for the encouragement!
Actually I found out exactly what I wanted to know about it's performance up close.  a lot more than from reading these bipolar opinions