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Lakes and Pennine

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Re: P Fogwill/macmac/M-CLEAN/Rinsing
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2008, 08:20:57 pm »
so what is the advantage of having an over the brush spray?

i just got an auto brush and it is the first time I had fan jets. I seem to think i need more water presure to get a good spray, also it dont always go right to the edges of windows on r hand side, though the l hand side does, but i put that down to the assembly with the l hand jets getting the easier path for water supply

NWH

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Re: P Fogwill/macmac/M-CLEAN/Rinsing
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2008, 08:22:42 pm »
What`s the advantage,none at all.They were designed for commercial buildings with huge panes of glass,i wouldn`t use an overhead jet for domestic.

Rob_Mac

Re: P Fogwill/macmac/M-CLEAN/Rinsing
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2008, 08:30:25 pm »
We also used these assemblies on our residential workload - some 600 customers every month for a four year period had their windows cleaned with the same brushes that we used on our commercial work.

In my opinion at whatever height you are working you know that with a good flow rate that the last thing to touch the glass because of where the water is fed from - will be 100% pure water.

I still cannot see how a brush that may hold impurity in its bristles can do as good as our assembly because when we rinse we never pull the brush over the glass we are rinsing.

Rob ;D

Peter Fogwill

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Re: P Fogwill/macmac/M-CLEAN/Rinsing
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2008, 09:33:37 pm »

In my opinion at whatever height you are working you know that with a good flow rate that the last thing to touch the glass because of where the water is fed from - will be 100% pure water.

I still cannot see how a brush that may hold impurity in its bristles can do as good as our assembly because when we rinse we never pull the brush over the glass we are rinsing.

Rob ;D

Neither could I if indeed the brush did hold impurities in the bristles, but it dosn't.  Everything is being constantly washed off the glass AND the bristles as you work.

Apart from the disadvantages on overhead sprays that I have already mentioned, unless you are doing a downward stroke all the way down from the top of the glass to the bottom, then you are still moving dirt about with your brush.  Watch what your brush is doing the next time it's on the glass, and you will find that a spray above the brush is, as you put it still holding impurities in it's bristles, so will be spreading the impurities to parts of the glass the the overhead spray has already been. 

I think you will find that the overhead spray is working much the same way as the fan through the brush, as far as the cleaning, or keeping the brush clean is concerned.  You are still going to get problems if the brush dosn't allow the water and contaminants to pass through the bristles and make it's way to the bottom of the glass.


The fact being and the point I am trying to make is, the bristles are being kept clean during normal use, just the same as the glass is, and whether the water is coming from the overhead spray or inside the brush makes no difference.  And if you use an overhead spray instead of a fan through the brush you are going to have to deal with extra problems.  Well that's the way I see it anyway.

Peter

Rob_Mac

Re: P Fogwill/macmac/M-CLEAN/Rinsing
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2008, 09:42:06 pm »
I think we will agree to disagree.

I have mentioned technique and I can assure you that our technique was to never pull a brush over an area of glass that had already been rinsed.

How will a brush that gets clogged with spiders webs, nests and other detritus self clean itself quickly enough to not drag all of that over the rest of the window.

I have used both methods and with serious thought on any adjustments made to our working practises - at all levels of our work I can conclude (in my opinion and from a detailed knowledge) that over all over the brush fan sprays used with the right technique will clean better than a through the brush methodology.

Rob ;D

Peter Fogwill

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Re: P Fogwill/macmac/M-CLEAN/Rinsing
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2008, 10:13:19 pm »
I think we will agree to disagree.
It looks like your right Rob, we will just have to agree to disagree.
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I have used both methods and with serious thought on any adjustments made to our working practises - at all levels of our work I can conclude (in my opinion and from a detailed knowledge) that over all over the brush fan sprays used with the right technique will clean better than a through the brush methodology.

Rob ;D

I have also used both methods Rob, and as far as all the spiders stuff is concerned I have already explained all that in depth on the other thread about rinsing.

Discussing the same thing on two separated threads is annoying, and harder to quote etc

Peter


macmac

Re: P Fogwill/macmac/M-CLEAN/Rinsing
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2008, 10:39:23 pm »
No overhead spray for me, couldn't imagine anything worse!

It's probably technique you need to work on mike if your having any probs. I dont use fans because of my method (i dont clean top frames) so i have total control of the flow & where it goes. Fans tend to splash more & so tend to put water where i dont want it, that's all. ;).


Tony

Mike 108

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Re: P Fogwill/macmac/M-CLEAN/Rinsing
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2008, 11:26:08 pm »
M-CLEAN

Thanks for the pictures.

Tony

I haven't yet decided on the 'over-the-brush' spray - but my first impressions on my new 'within-the-brush' spray are that it will work well.

Yes, fan jets do splash more if the brush is lifted off the glass - but if the brush is left on the glass I'm thinking that it won't be a problem.

And the fact that the fan jets are spraying the glass along the full width of the brush (up to the outermost bristles) should give better wetting and rinsing capabilities (in theory)

Anyway, I'll find out tomrrow.

Mike