[Dynafoam]

Ian,

I do not use the term dry when refering to a carpet as it is an absolute term  meaning having NO water present.

Very few (especially wool) carpets are ever in this state due to ambient humidity.

I favour "sit-on dry" and "sock dry".

Every carpet I clean, I walk in wearing white cotton socks. If the soles of the socks are not visably wet, then the carpet is deemed "sock dry". Similarly if upholstery is dry enough to sit on, it qualifies for the other term, despite the fact that my moisture detector will indicate dampness.

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys,

When I worked in the paper/glass fibre industries I seem to remember that a typical moisture content of a about 7 % was found in dry paper/tissue , so no carpet would ever be completely dry.

Most people would consider if it feels dry it is dry!

It would be interesting on Woodman's day out to compare drying times of different methods.

Cheers,

Doug

[Ed Valentine]

Wish I could go into depth on this issue, but will surfice to say:
Gentlemen;

Both systems will a certain job, I'm sure. And, some systems are better than others. Compare all spec's carefully.

It seems to me that we dry carpets by using "AIR" flow (movement) --perhaps in terms of using box fans, etc...to help get carpet clean and dry.

Furthermore, if a system is capable of going the distance, that may tell one something as to the total over-all performance.

Finally, I believe that Mark Roberts will experience the need for greater Air-Flow on his system based on the fact that he has purchased a unit to help provide that. (BTW, it is not our system, Gentlemen)

Hope my comments did not sound like a sales thread because they were not meant to be.

Good Fortune to all;
Ed Valentine
(Company name held by request!)

[mark_roberts]

Ed

Not sure I understand your last paragraph.

Please explain.

MArk Roberts

[paul@ctcs]

I cant comment on anything other than the comparison between my now back up machine which is a twin vacuum (VO) unit and the Eclipse.

The difference in power is instantly noticably and i would say there is also an increase on air flow but the actual lift (sucking power) is what puts the Eclipse in another league to the twin vac machine.

Without using a High air flow machine with a parrallel vacuum setup I cant say which works the best at reducing drying times, although i can see the principle behind the AO machine and how it may be superior.

What i can vouch for are the results i've achieved using the Eclipse which have been outstanding with drying times up to half of that from the twin vacuum machine.

I'm sure we can all agree Three vacuums whether running parrallel or in series beats having only two.

Paul

[Ed Valentine]

Mark;

I was refering to your past comments in other threads (??) where I thought you mentioned that you were waiting for a certain product you had ordered from the states to help increase your air-flow (and vacuum).

If I am wrong, please accept my apologies.

Good Fortune to all;
Ed Valentine

[David Towells]

Hi

Been contemplating moving into Carpet Cleaning for some time and I'm glad I found this website before I got the business going!  Not heard anything about these machines prior to here.

Looking to start up in the summer, so I'm in the market so to speak!  Looks like these machines are definitely worth considering.

Cheers

Dave

[Dynafoam]

There are two if not three new to the UK machines that some of you are mavelling about.

What is the Water Lift on the Eclipse
and Eds Machine The Recoil

If you put in 4 buckets of water how many do you get back.

Ian,

Just to please you I put four buckets (12 gallons) in the Recoil today.

The carpets were deep, dense velvet-tufted nylon. The carpets were averagely soiled in general but had a large number of 'Kiddy stains' including drinks, crayons and @Girls World' makeup. When I arrived all the windows were open and the indoor RH was 67%.

By the time I had finished the job, most of the carpets were 'sock-dry', the first two rooms were described by the customer as "completely dry".

I measured the dirty water plus the remaining clean and I had failed to recover 3 pints - 96.875% recovery rate. Clearly one carpet type does not represent a representative sample, but does indicate what can be achieved.

[mark_roberts]

Ed, you posted

Finally, I believe that Mark Roberts will experience the need for greater Air-Flow on his system based on the fact that he has purchased a unit to help provide that. (BTW, it is not our system, Gentlemen)

This sounds to me that your saying I need more airflow even tho I've bought a inline booster?

Is this what your saying?

Mark

[Dynafoam]

Chris,

I use bigger buckets.  Somewhat less than the 54.5 ltrs. were used to clean a room about 28' x 12' plus stairs and upper landing.

I always expect after fully draining the machine (except on very large jobs) to get the same number of buckets that I put in. The last bucket will not be full, so the shortfall indicates the amount of water either not recovered or lost due to evaporation within the system.

It is a long time since I used a twin-vac machine, but even then I expected 9+ buckets out for every 10 put in.

[Ian Gourlay]

Thank you John I can understand buckets.

Now your recovery rate is obviously down to your skill plus your machine.

As stated you achieved a high recovery rate with a twin Vac.

My recovery rate is similar to Chris R.

So is this down to you wand technique.

[Dynafoam]

Ian,

Today I had an even higher recovery rate - four rooms of grubby Belgian Wilton.

Last night I upgraded the Recoil, replacing the internal two-stage booster with a three-stage. This has improved both airflow and (to a greater extent) water lift.

I do not have the instrumentation to quantify the gain, but the 'real world' difference is most apparent and the electrical load is well within bounds.

[Fintan_Coll]

I am not one for great technical details, just never had the head for that type of thing, all I can say about the Recoil is I am very impressed with it's performance overall. Drying times- well carpets are usually dry to touch by the time I leave the job, .

[Glynn]

Simon Gerrard cleans P&O cruise ships on a regular basis and has done for a number of years using his prochem bearcat performer which has a 4 blower on it, he uses over a thousand feet of hoses and also duals with two RX20's at about 400ft each and achives dry times of a couple of hours, the carpets are wool.
They wouldn't use any other method.

[Len Gribble]

Glyn

Seen picture (sorry cant find it) of Simon machine very impressive believe was based in a Bedford rascal.

Len

[Glynn]

Len
The bedford rascal housed the bruin 2 which I bought off him im almost sure.
The bearcats in a transit though.

[Len Gribble]

Glynn

I stand corrected still look the part!

Len