[Dean Taberner]

Hi,

As mentioned in my previous post I have just bought a wfp system from purefreedom.

As you can imagine ive had great fun playing with it. Obviously before I was using the trad method using fairy liquid to make up my cleaning fluid.

To get straight to the point, will I have a problem with my new pure water re-activating any old dry soap that is still on the window/frames and leaving streaks or will the pure water simply wash it away?

Thanks in advance again

[jampot]

just make sure you give  them a good rinse.
it may take a few  cleans to come up good 

another good tip that i think Macmac said was try to aviod the tops of the frames because it tends to cause runs down the glass,

rinse and rinse on a high flow andyoull notice the diffrence 

[Dean Taberner]

Thanks jampot

[poleman]

another good tip that i think Macmac said was try to aviod the tops of the frames because it tends to cause runs down the glass,

NOOOO clean the top of the frame, that is where you ARE going to have problems! if you dont clean them, everyone knows that!

[jampot]

another good tip that i think Macmac said was try to aviod the tops of the frames because it tends to cause runs down the glass,

NOOOO clean the top of the frame, that is where you ARE going to have problems! if you dont clean them, everyone knows that!

thats no what everyones been saying

[windowwashers]

On the first clean I always clean everything paying more attention to the top of the frame as this is where most the soap will be sitting just waiting to run and cause problems for you, wash loads and rinse well and you will limit the problems you get.

Have fun with your new toy

Ian

[poleman]

Everyone!

I have been using a WFP for over 5 years, its industry standard practise that frames get cleaned 95% of the time

How close do you get to the top of the frame with out splashing it! you cant! at some point it will get splashed

Not only that you are only doing half a job! (dirty top frame)  

[RPCCS]

Clean the frames thoroughly,especially the top,then rinse them,do this on all the top windows BEFORE you clean the glass.By the time you have finished rinsing the last window,the first one should have stopped dripping from the top of the frame. Then do just the glass. Then repeat the process for the bottom windows. DO THIS ON YOUR 1ST CLEAN ONLY. 2nd cleans,wash and rinse top of frame then glass each window.A tip for you is change over to wfp gradually.i.e. do a handful of jobs wfp each day, then trad the rest,or you will find you get miles behind as 1st cleans require alot of time. Each week gradually increase the amount of wfp work you do. Also wfp can react with crap paintwork on wood frames.Test the paint by wetting your finger,then rub the window frame firmly,if there is paint residue on your finger then its better to trad them as you could end up with really bad spotting

[macmac]

Everyone!

I have been using a WFP for over 5 years, its industry standard practise that frames get cleaned 95% of the time

How close do you get to the top of the frame with out splashing it! you cant! at some point it will get splashed

Not only that you are only doing half a job! (dirty top frame)  

Industry standard?  says who? please post where you get this info from & what body regulates it, thanks.

You can clean windows without cleaning the top frame wfp, i've been doing it for 4.5 years. I took over some work from a "clean the top frame" guy who was always boasting about how he'd never had any complaints, he was right too, they never complained to his face but instead told ME how he used to leave streaks all the time from the top!!! & how my job was spotless

The trouble is, it takes time, skill & practice to master the technique but once you do, you're flying with no worries of leaving streaks behind.

Where do you stop? even if you clean the top frame water is still going to go beyond the pvc onto brick/stone & if it's sandstone get ready


Tony

[NWH]

Everyone!

I have been using a WFP for over 5 years, its industry standard practise that frames get cleaned 95% of the time

How close do you get to the top of the frame with out splashing it! you cant! at some point it will get splashed

Not only that you are only doing half a job! (dirty top frame)  

Industry standard?  says who? please post where you get this info from & what body regulates it, thanks.

You can clean windows without cleaning the top frame wfp, i've been doing it for 4.5 years. I took over some work from a "clean the top frame" guy who was always boasting about how he'd never had any complaints, he was right too, they never complained to his face but instead told ME how he used to leave streaks all the time from the top!!! & how my job was spotless

The trouble is, it takes time, skill & practice to master the technique but once you do, you're flying with no worries of leaving streaks behind.

Where do you stop? even if you clean the top frame water is still going to go beyond the pvc onto brick/stone & if it's sandstone get ready


Tony

Correct there Tony,i don`t do frames all the time only if they pay for it.You don`t need to do the top frame to get a spotless job,you just need to be accurate with your brush that`s the key.

[poleman]

Tony, how you clean your windows is up to you, and if you customers are happy then that is fine

Yes I agree (as I stated 95%) 5% of the time you cant clean they top frame because you wont get a good finish

I never said there was a regulation stating you have to clean the frame! and yes there are some WFP user that don't clean the top of the frame

However, training courses by the Fed and BWCA and the person that gave WFP to the UK class cleaning the whole frame as best practise, & it only takes seconds to wipe 

I have seen frames not clean by a WFP users and it looks a right dogs dinner! and I have won work over this type of practice

That's the whole point of WFP! frames cleaned free when with windows, one dame good selling point for your business, and not only that you are giving your customers and top job for a top price   

[NWH]

BWCA what a money maker that is for them,i had a demo from Ironic once and the guy told me that i had to clean right up to the brickwork and in some cases including it the way he was cleaning with it,you don`t have to do frames but it does look much better allround if you do.If your happy and it`s not broken don`t fix it.

[poleman]

To highlight this, here is a job we won the contract because they didn't clean the frame

[NWH]

Yeah well nuff said about him the better,he wants shooting.I was trying to say use your loaf,what a shocker that is.

[poleman]

Each to there own, I am a window cleaner, not a glass cleaner

[TennetClean]

I think to be absolutely dead certain of a good result, especially on first cleans, i would do the frames.

As a policy, I do the frames anyway, but NWA is right, you dont absolutley have to do them.  Once you are experienced you can just do the glass and only do the frames if they ask for it (and charge extra).

What I mean is, you dont have to do the frames to be certain that the glass will be clean, especially on monthly work.  If you decide to do them anyway just because its good practice (or to win work because the other guy didnt do them) then alls the better.

[jaykie]

Im with WC, window cleaner not glass cleaner.

Chris

[Darren O]

On the first clean always give all the frames a good scrub after that hardly touch the top frame its to much bother with vents ect.After a few month when it starts to get a bit dirty give it a quick rub with the brush with the water turned of always does the trick.

[jonah]

I am trad and going to the dark side soon !  For new customers I am charging double , explaining that I clean the frames on the first clean , and in the process making it easier when I go over to the dark side ( wfp ) 

[NWH]

I am trad and going to the dark side soon !  For new customers I am charging double , explaining that I clean the frames on the first clean , and in the process making it easier when I go over to the dark side ( wfp ) 

You say you`ll charge double but i bet you don`t,it would be easier on you if you just said give it a couple of cleans before they come up spotless in my opinion.It dosen`t always come good on the first clean and by charging double if they don`t they won`t be impressed,if there really bad i would charge a bit more but just explain the above about a couple of cleans.