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Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2008, 10:11:08 pm »
There are a few cleaners that have had bad experiences with Solution products but there are quite alot of people that are shouting from th eroof tops about this method.

Shaun

Len Gribble

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Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2008, 10:38:32 pm »
Paul

Stunning results, thought you used the palm sander on it.

Des

Think the chemical company makes them then you add your brand name. Ask for a data sheet  ;D

Len
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other. (Sidcup Kent)

Darren O

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Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2008, 10:57:07 pm »
Is the sponge the Duotec microsponge £2.45 thats the only one i can see.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2008, 11:00:45 pm »
Micro Power Large Hand Pad

World of clean

Shaun

carpet guy

Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2008, 08:57:54 am »
Not a fan of S*******S but I will definitely be using this product. My trial was using with F/C cleaner and the results were outstanding, as Paul predicted.

Remember, though, you're not finished after removing the dirt, make sure you know what else's necessary to protect the clean surface.




*paul_moss

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Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2008, 09:20:57 am »
Now every body knows my history with said company . I only speak on my findings with all products and companies and always speak up to help others on what works for me and what doesnt. That does not mean it suits any body else some like and get on with what I do others dont, thats the game were in.
I like some of the products Solution UK stock and dislike others, there are also lots of their products I have not tried, same with Prochem, Chemspec, Hydromaster,Craftex etc etc. I pick and choose the products that work best for my style of cleaning in terms of quality,speed, price etc.

These sponges where not designed for leather, they are a melemine base and designed to work with just water and no other chemical on things like stainless steel, tiles and similar hard surfaces. I just tried them one day as an experiment as my cleaning style is based more on the aggitation rather than the chemical doing the work.
I have used them for around 14 months and kept them quiet until the last few months because I feel they are a big winner .
They are quite an aggressive cleaner so you need to know your leather finishes and more importantly the condition of the finish.
They work best with soapy chemicals. At all times keep them wet and soapy, if they dry they become very aggressive and thats when damage can take place.
I now can clean 2 to 3 suites with half of a large sponge. In the early days I went through 2 or 3 sponges a suite so technique and practice like any thing else will increase skill.

 As for other people saying they are dangerous ::) ::) DING DING DING
                                                      IT IS A SPONGE
We as professionals use alot of dangerous equipment and chemicals that can instantly damage carpets and upholstery if used incorrectly, these are no different.
The only damage that can be done is that they can take off the top coat of dye off the leather if its weak or damaged, but then we should be aware of this with testing before we start to clean and then be able to rectify afterwards, as top coats and dyes are very easy to replace/ restore quickly.

ALL I CAN FINISH WITH IS TRY THEM FOR YOUR SELVES AND MAKE YOUR OWN MIND UP, THATS WHAT I DO.
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
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John Kelly

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Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2008, 10:02:07 am »
Paul have you ever tried a white Scotchpad. I know you can rub and rub a fabric with these without damaging the surface just wonder what they would be like on leather.

carpet guy

Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2008, 02:14:17 pm »
I've tried a multitude of sponges and fabrics and many are very good, but these little sponges are brilliant, I have something else I'm experimenting with and if it's successfull I will let you know.

Roger Koh

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Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2008, 05:43:46 am »
Google -  Melamine Sponge and I get this:

Subject: Magic Erasers, read if you have any contact with kids!

Ok, I'm sending this out to everyone so they don't make the same mistake I made. I'm so embarrassed that this happened but I want you all to be aware of what can happen. This was caused by a magic eraser sponge. I have let both kids erase their crayon marks off the walls and never even thought the sponges would have this kind of chemical in them that would cause this kind of burn or even hurt them. Learn from my mistake. You can't even imagine how bad I feel that this happened to Kolby. Pass this along to anyone who has kids or grandchildren.

Karlee


 
Photo: Origin unknown



 
Photo: © Kerflop.com (used by permission)


Kolby 24 hours after being burned by a magic Eraser sponge. It was much worse yesterday.


My sister found this article about another child that was burned by the same kind of sponge.

Chemical Burns to Children

If you are a parent or grandparent, this post is meant to save your loved ones from the horror one of our friends went through. Here is the email we received -

One of my five year old's favorite chores around the house is cleaning scuff marks off the walls, doors, and baseboards with either an Easy Eraser pad, or the real deal, a Mr. Clean Magic Eraser. I purchased a package of Magic Erasers ages ago when they first came out. I remember reading the box, wondering what the "Magic" component was that cleaned crayon off my walls with ease. No ingredients were listed and absolutely no warnings were on the box, other than "Do not ingest."

My package of the Scotchbrite Easy Erasers didn't have a warning either and since my child knew not to eat the sponges and keep them out of reach of his little brother and sister, it was a chore I happily let him do.

If I had known that both brands (and others like them) contain a harmful alkaline or "base" chemical (opposite of acid on the pH scale) that can burn your skin, I never would have let my little boy handle them. As you can see from the picture, when the Scotchbrite Easy Eraser was rubbed against his face and chin, he received severe chemical burns.

At first, I thought he was being dramatic. I picked him up, put him on the counter top and washed his face with soap and water. He was screaming in pain. I put some lotion on his face - more agony. I had used a Magic Eraser to remove magic marker from my own knuckles a while back and I couldn't understand why he was suddenly in pain. Then, almost immediately, the large, shiny, blistering red marks started to spread across his cheeks and chin.

I quickly searched Google.com for "Magic Eraser Burn" and turned up several results. I was shocked. These completely innocent looking white foam sponges can burn you?

I called our pediatrician, and of course got sent to voice mail. I hung up and called the Hospital and spoke to an Emergency Room nurse. She told me to call Poison Control. The woman at Poison Control said she was surprised nobody had sued these companies yet and walked me through the process of neutralizing the alkaline to stop my son's face from continually burning more every second.

I had already, during my frantic phone calling, tried patting some numbing antibiotic cream on his cheeks, and later some Aloe Vera gel - both resulted in screams of pain. The Poison Control tech had me fill a bathtub with warm water, lay my son into it, cover him with a towel to keep him warm and then use a soft washcloth to rinse his face and chin with cool water for a continuous 20 minutes.

My son calmed down immediately. He told me how good it felt. I gave him a dose of Tylenol and after the twenty minutes was up, he got dressed in his Emergency Room doctor Halloween costume and off we went to the Hospital.

They needed to make sure the chemical burn had stopped burning, and examine his face to determine if the burn would need to be debrided (from my fuzzy recollection of hospital work, this means removing loose tissue from a burn location). My son was pretty happy at the hospital, they were very nice and called him "Doctor" and let him examine some of their equipment. The water had successfully stopped the burning and helped soothe a lot of the pain. I'm sure Tylenol was helping too.

They sent us home with more Aloe Vera gel, Polysporin antibiotic cream, and some other numbing burn creams. By the time we got home, my son was crying again. I tried applying some of the creams but he cried out in pain. Water seemed to be what worked the best.

After a rough night, I took the above photo in the morning. He was swollen and wouldn't move his lips very much to avoid moving the skin on his taut cheeks. I was fighting back the tears, and I said, "Oh honey, I wish I could take it away from you. I wish I could take it off your face and put it on mine." He was so shocked, he started to tear up a little and said, "Mom, no. You don't want this on your face, it hurts so much. You would be hurting. Last night was terrible, I couldn't sleep, and you wouldn't be able to sleep either." It just broke my heart into five trillion pieces - as much as he is hurting, he wouldn't want me to be hurting in his place.

Today he is doing much better. The burns have started to scab over, and in place of red, raw, angry, skin we have a deeper red, rough healing layer. I can touch his skin now, without it stinging, and this morning he went back to Pre-School with Polysporin rubbed all over his face. He announced to the class, "I brought my face for Show and Tell!"

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Note - he was doing fine as of Friday. Kudos to this diligent parent for informing us all.

*paul_moss

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Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2008, 08:08:25 am »
Roger
This is caused by the chemical impregnated in the sponge.
The sponges we use are dry, no chemical in them.

Read what the lady said

" never even thought the sponges would have this kind of chemical in them"
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
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carpet guy

Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2008, 04:28:16 pm »
Best I've found was ..........the ph is between 8 and 10 and there was an " urban myth " circulating, my guess and it is a guess, is that the skin burns were the result of kids misunderstanding the products and being burned through friction...............this however is a guess.............I found a web site with an explanation of the " myth " and will post the source later.

There seem to be many variations of the product, so it would be worth experimenting, to determine what's safe or otherwise.

rob

*paul_moss

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Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2008, 04:40:16 pm »
I think the best thing here, is not to use them on cleaning children .

I may have mislead you by calling them magic sponges. That is not their name, I cant remember what they are called you will have to look on world of clean web site. I just called them that because they work magic on cleaning leather  ;D.
I have spoken to Solution UK today and they tell me that they own the rights for this particular sponge and design ( its the design that also helps it clean better) and that as I said earlier it is a totally dry sponge with no chemicals at all in it. It was designed to be used with water only, it is just me that has changes things using it with leather cleaner for cleaning pigmented hyde.
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
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stevegunn

Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2008, 04:45:13 pm »
I use the ones from jml magic eraser

Rub stubborn marks off surfaces as easily as you rub pencil marks off paper! No chemicals no detergents.

    * Cut the block into ideal shapes and sizes to tackle awkward nooks and crannies, polish taps, numptys, switches – and much more
    * Non-abrasive: the Magic Eraser can be used on all sorts of surfaces, including wood, paintwork, chrome and vinyl
    * Rinse, dry and re-use. Our huge block (32 x 13 x 4cm) goes a very long way
    * It can be cut to size and shape for those awkward places that need cleaning
    * Fantastic value and no detergents necessary: save money, time and elbow grease


Roger Koh

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Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2008, 04:51:45 pm »
Paul,

May I have your permission to post our email correspondence regarding my findings of these Melamine sponges you send me before the April CCDO?

I have mentioned the antidotes for neutralizing when used in conjunction with another alkaline cleaning product.

This alkalinity in the sponge acts as a booster that raise the pH higher.

Since there will be others who may like to try these sponges, it’s my peace of mind when they know about these 2 antidotes to neutralize the high alkalinity after cleaning.

These antidotes can be spray onto our bare skin too for those adults that have sensitive skin after cleaning!

Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System

Joe H

Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2008, 05:00:04 pm »
Similar to the Solutions UK micro pad ........ I have been using "It Works" cleaning blocks bought off QVC shopping channel for a couple years now.
These are "Made in Germany", but apparantly sourced in Canada.

Used mainly for getting shoe scuffs of wood/laminate floors, door facing (down at the bottom where people kick). Only water needed and they contain no chemicals.

and they really do work.... just like the micro pad from Solutions UK

carpet guy

Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2008, 05:07:30 pm »
Further reading suggests there is no chemical in the sponges and my guess as to what happened appears to be correct..................there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

The only negative comment is...............the sponges or part of the sponges must not be ingested by humans or animals..........should be pretty obvious, but to be on the safe side, make sure you clear up any disintegrated parts or complete sponges.

Doug Holloway

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Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2008, 05:17:36 pm »
Hi Guys

I used to work with melamine formadehyde polymers, mainly used for their fire resistance and also water resistance compared with urea formaldehyde.
I have cut and pasted an informative article from Wikipedia.

'Melamine foam is a foam-like material consisting of a formaldehyde-melamine-sodium bisulfite copolymer. The foam, because of its microporous properties, may remove otherwise "uncleanable" external markings from relatively smooth surfaces. For example, it can remove crayon, magic marker, and grease from painted walls, wood finishings, and grime from hub caps.

The open cell foam is not only microporous, but its polymeric substance is also extremely hard, meaning that it works like sandpaper but on a smaller scale, getting into tiny grooves and pits in the subject being cleaned. On a larger scale, the material feels soft. Because the bubbles interconnect, its structure is more like a maze of fibreglass strands than like the array of separate bubbles in, for example, styrofoam.

The substance needs to be dampened to work properly. It does break down rather rapidly, so a given block of foam generally lasts only a single intensive scrubbing session, though it can be used repeatedly for much smaller marks.
Hi Guys

While the name-brand "Magic Eraser" is made by Mr. Clean (Procter & Gamble), the foam itself is manufactured in Germany by BASF under the name "Basotect" and was already a common product before this new use was discovered. Other companies have also begun marketing it for its cleaning properties, either under other names, like Coralite Ultimate Sponge, or as a generic product.

Melamine foam has been used for over 20 years as insulation for both pipes and ductwork. It also has a long history as a soundproofing material for projects like studios, sounds stages and auditoriums. The low smoke and flame properties of melamine foam are very beneficial toward safety concerns[citation needed].

The Magic Eraser earned the Electrical Audio Intern's Corner "Key Buy" award in 2003.'

I would be very surprised if alkaline detergents were added to the melamine foam , it is almost certainly it's natural alkalinity and degradation products which are causing the allergic reaction.

Cheers

Doug


carpet guy

Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2008, 05:30:15 pm »
Still reckon it from abrasion rather than an allergic reaction Doug, but I'm just going by what I see and am aware that had there been an allergic reaction there would have been immediate action by Proctor and Gamble.

As with any leather cleaning cleaning and Paul has already touched on this ....................use caution and consider how to best protect the cleaned leather.

Doug Holloway

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Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2008, 05:41:23 pm »
Hi Rob

You may well be right alhough some may have allergic reactions, particularly those with sensitive skin, such as children.

Cheers

Doug

*paul_moss

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Re: Who has tried the magic sponge ?
« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2008, 07:09:22 pm »
Roger, please feel free to post as much info on this as possible as you guys are usually well ahead of us on the techno front by a few years.

Doug I am very fair skined and have used these sponges for 14 months now with lots of different chemicals with no probs,Im with rob on this one and I think the lady may have rubbed to hard and taken some skin away and then what ever chemical has caused a rash.
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
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