[TennetClean]

Hmmmmmmm no i havent seen the article

Then no offense matt, but I dont think you should comment until you HAVE seen it, That's just common sense surely?

i havent mentioned how to secure a tank, though people do it in all different ways, but once again, they know the risk,

If you had read the mag, then you would understand that often it is that people DONT know the risk, thats exactly the point.

[matt]

Hmmmmmmm no i havent seen the article

Then no offense matt, but I dont think you should comment until you HAVE seen it, That's just common sense surely?

thats the point, im not commenting on it the article, this is afterall a discussion forum and i mentioned to jeff its the way the load it secured to the van, not so much the straps ( afterall the fixing point it likely to be the weak point ) , the discussion for me then evolved into how they fixed seats in camper comversions ( off topic i guess, but hey, i found it interesting that to pass a strict test to drive on the UK roads, they fix seats to carry children or 3 adults wieghing 250 kg ) they use spreader plates

i guess if im not making a comment about this, i shouldnt post, sorry oh police of posting issues

[craig b]

 vans have max pay load for reason.... insurance company no this when they insure you

i secure my tank with straps but at the front bulk head i had a frame fitted bolted and welded to stop it coming in on top of me  £90.00 it cost. hope i never have to try it out
matts right people should no the risk..
  

[matt]

If you had read the mag, then you would understand that often it is that people DONT know the risk, thats exactly the point.

i tell you what, if some1 doesnt know the risk of driving with 1000 L in the back of his van unsecured, then i would be very s.prised, i expect they know the risk, but choose to take that risk

from what you have said, i expect the article is just a " shock advert" to shock people into buying the system, its been done before, it'll be done again, will people buy the " article " at being nothing more than a " shock advert" ? ? ? ? who knows

[matt]

vans have max pay load for reason.... insurance company no this when they insure you

i secure my tank with straps but at the front bulk head i had a frame fitted bolted and welded to stop it coming in on top of me  £90.00 it cost. hope i never have to try it out
matts right people should no the risk..
   

exactly, you knew the risk, you added to your safety with the 90 quid frame

life is 1 big risk, we all take them when we pull out at that roundabout in front of that lorry ( etc etc )

[TennetClean]

LOL I dont care about off-topic posts matey, I'm a culprit for that myself.

All I'm saying is that you are making comments about the mag article and the whole issue when you aint even seen it.

You went on about spreader plates, and theres a specific point about them in the mag and how they are proven NOT to be safe, and if you'd have read it you would have known that.  The way you said it came across like "They use spreader plates becuase they are safe" ie so its ok to use them for tanks, NOT SO.

Also, you said about BLAH BLAH BLAH you didnt say anything you just sang to yourself for 5 mins.

All I'm sayin is you commenting about it when you aint even seen it is a bit ot of order.  Saying "I expect its this...." etc is silly mate, just read the article cos otherwise you dont know what your on about and are just being a run-of-the-mill ionic whinger.

[craig b]

ok back to topic matey........it wont affect our future as window cleaners.
 vans have a max  weight to carry and as i said insurance companys no this it is up to us to secure the load we carry...

[Tosh]

I seem to remember a few years ago that it was PWC Mag's Editor (Philip Hanson) - the political wing of Ionics - who was scare-mongering about a supposed 'ladder ban'.

Can any of you lot see any similarities with this and the 'insurance ban'?

[Paul Coleman]

I seem to remember a few years ago that it was PWC Mag's Editor (Philip Hanson) - the political wing of Ionics - who was scare-mongering about a supposed 'ladder ban'.

Can any of you lot see any similarities with this and the 'insurance ban'?

I thought it was that Ionics was the military wing of the PCW mag but not to worry.
To answer your question - yes I do see similarities.  Knowing insurance companies, they probably wouldn't actually refuse cover.  They would probably charge extortionate prices to provide cover without the relevant certification.  Refusing cover could lose them money.  Charging more for uncertified vehicles could make them more money.  Not too hard to figure which way they would go.

[perfect reflection]

If ionics are so concerned about this? I wonder if they are going to call all there systems back in and replace the fixings from all there older systems!!
I think is a good reminder for us all to consider how our tanks are installed, worth taking a bit of time and money.
perfect reflection

[newpy]

If ionics are so concerned about this? I wonder if they are going to call all there systems back in and replace the fixings from all there older systems!!
I think is a good reminder for us all to consider how our tanks are installed, worth taking a bit of time and money.
perfect reflection

I was just about to say the same thing!!, i bought an ionics system about 3 yrs ago, never been re checked to see that all fixings are still in good order etc. and just because they have crash tested theirs does it mean that no other suppliers are up to the job? I really think this is just a marketing angle for 2008 that they are going to play on it in a major way, for several reasons. I appreciate that the costs involved in testing must be large, but how many other manufacturers are in the position to outlay all that cost initially? The market for systems is so competitive these days and Ionics have to highlight a feature that they can offer that is not matched by anyone else...yet.
At the end of the day, as mentioned before people do take risks and will always do so when it comes down to cost. How many people do you see driving around with missile dogs on parcel shelves, is a dog guard too expensive?!! that would hurt being wacked with a flying dog in a crash, but who cares? Seems like they've got some interest going though!! I just wonder who on here is going to spend an extra couple of grand due to this marketing ploy? any takers??? As for insurance, my system is covered, and they never asked how it was fitted, perhaps with blu-tac. I really think they couldn't give a monkeys, they'll take your money first, ask questions later (when/if u claim!)
Then again maybe i've got it all wrong as i am only a humble w/c !