[Kev R]

you do leave it wet but you will see any particles etc when you rinse so as long as you rinse well you can be assured the window will dry to an equivalent result as trad 

[mark dew]

I think wfp has its place to clean high reach windows , but the only downside to it I can see is that you cant check the finnished job !  Once I have cleaned a property I would hate to go back and re clean the windows .  If this problem could be solved I would be really tempted to give it a go  

With wfp all you have to do is check the job once after the windows are dry. Once a job comes up good it will almost always come up good after that.

you do leave it wet but you will see any particles etc when you rinse so as long as you rinse well you can be assured the window will dry to an equivalent result as trad

I think so too.
It is quite eay to see how they are when rinsing, especially if the windows sheet as the water seems to hit a bump if there is some dirt still on the window.

[jonah]

Ok imagine I was your employee , and it was my first day .   I am nervous and know nothing about cleaning windows ( Yes true so far i hear you say )  explain to me how to clean the first upstairs window .    

[mark dew]

Sorry jonah, can't be bothered to explain. Too many variables depending on the type of window. I would simply tell you to watch me and avoid the vents. And i would check them when they are dry.
I wouldn't expect perfection each time, but unless there's fly poo i would feel confident about the job.
I would also make a point of telling the customer we are only a phone call away if they notice any problems.

[windowwashers]

Ok imagine I was your employee , and it was my first day .   I am nervous and know nothing about cleaning windows ( Yes true so far i hear you say )  explain to me how to clean the first upstairs window .    

clean top first, them clean frames, then go bacl to the top and do it again, rinse frames the rinse top on frames again (first cleans), clean window, the rishnse top to bottom easy.

Ian

[geefree]

Yeah 50% is more like it. 

15%? you're doing something majorly wrong.  You should be at least twice as fast with WFP

that is only true if you are doing big houses or easy access that is a fact.

I challenge you to try and beat me on a bunglow with wfp against me trad, I know the result.

do it, and we can have a book on here.

Ian
p.s I am wfp and I am quick

is that including getting all the dirt off the frames....

[windowwashers]

Yeah 50% is more like it. 

15%? you're doing something majorly wrong.  You should be at least twice as fast with WFP

that is only true if you are doing big houses or easy access that is a fact.

I challenge you to try and beat me on a bunglow with wfp against me trad, I know the result.

do it, and we can have a book on here.

Ian
p.s I am wfp and I am quick

is that including getting all the dirt off the frames....

no, after first cleans 

[geefree]

 

[L.J.Thorpe]

Does it really matter? Trad is best, theres no doubt about that IF its done properly. I still prefer it. But I use WFP because its quicker and easier.

Most of the customers are fine with it. About 10% don't take to it but they get dropped. Plenty more fish in the sea.

I run a business, the purpose of that business is to make money for me and my family.

Friday afternoons I pay all the money into the bank. its the figure at the bottom of the paying in slip that is important, Nothing else. 

this says it all really
sorry jonah but this is balls mate
trad  does give a better finish to the trained eye,but how many of your customers are window cleaners?
for volume of work at a standard acceptable to 95% of customers the pole is far and away the best and safest way
i KNOW that i can go back to most windows i have done and find a small fault if i look hard enough,but some customers would pay up if they find a ticket through the letterbox  and not even check the work

[jonah]

Does it really matter? Trad is best, theres no doubt about that IF its done properly. I still prefer it. But I use WFP because its quicker and easier.

Most of the customers are fine with it. About 10% don't take to it but they get dropped. Plenty more fish in the sea.

I run a business, the purpose of that business is to make money for me and my family.

Friday afternoons I pay all the money into the bank. its the figure at the bottom of the paying in slip that is important, Nothing else. 

this says it all really
sorry jonah but this is balls mate
trad  does give a better finish to the trained eye,but how many of your customers are window cleaners?
for volume of work at a standard acceptable to 95% of customers the pole is far and away the best and safest way
i KNOW that i can go back to most windows i have done and find a small fault if i look hard enough,but some customers would pay up if they find a ticket through the letterbox  and not even check the work

Oh mr thorpe you need a break from this site lol

[Wayne Thomas]

I know what your saying mate but it does a good enough job for me,i know a WC round where i work and he is picky to say the least,he`s more interested in doing an immaculate job than earning a living.There comes a point where you have to be sensible about it,if the phones not ringing your doing something right.

I use to be too particular about doing an over the top job when I was trad so that no one could fault me. Then I switched to WFP because of health reasons and was determined I wasn't going to fall into that trap of being too fussy with regards very high standards of work. So long as the job is good with the minimum of time, that's it, no more timewasting trying to be the best. Time is money as the saying goes and so be it.

[windowwashers]

Does it really matter? Trad is best, theres no doubt about that IF its done properly. I still prefer it. But I use WFP because its quicker and easier.

Most of the customers are fine with it. About 10% don't take to it but they get dropped. Plenty more fish in the sea.

I run a business, the purpose of that business is to make money for me and my family.

Friday afternoons I pay all the money into the bank. its the figure at the bottom of the paying in slip that is important, Nothing else. 

this says it all really
sorry jonah but this is balls mate
trad  does give a better finish to the trained eye,but how many of your customers are window cleaners?
for volume of work at a standard acceptable to 95% of customers the pole is far and away the best and safest way
i KNOW that i can go back to most windows i have done and find a small fault if i look hard enough,but some customers would pay up if they find a ticket through the letterbox  and not even check the work

new customer today, asked me to do there windows I was doing next door, only wanted up, said they was over the moon with the finish, guy comes up to me after ND SHANKES MY HAND "WELL DONE SON " thank you I say, he said I was a window cleaner for 30 years you do a very good job........ I was well happy with that comment, I try my best but when an old pro says it makes it feel so so much better 

[geefree]

Jonah, you are reading all the posts , regarding ro-systems, tanks, pumps, parts and everything else you need for wfp.... and looking at it in a negative light, and its putting you off,

you have been on this forum long enough to have read all the benefits wfp brings..

believe me , you will and have more to worry about than your microfibres in later life ... or even now... using ladders..

yes you do need all THAT gear to use wfp system,... but once you have it your life will be far easier... now and in years to come.

jonah you would love it.

and you are safe.

you remind me of a fella on here who would never ever convert to wfp... but he has now, and i know he is a happier man.

[jonah]

Jonah, you are reading all the posts , regarding ro-systems, tanks, pumps, parts and everything else you need for wfp.... and looking at it in a negative light, and its putting you off,

you have been on this forum long enough to have read all the benefits wfp brings..

believe me , you will and have more to worry about than your microfibres in later life ... or even now... using ladders..

yes you do need all THAT gear to use wfp system,... but once you have it your life will be far easier... now and in years to come.

jonah you would love it.

and you are safe.

you remind me of a fella on here who would never ever convert to wfp... but he has now, and i know he is a happier man.

Bet he is a fatty !

[geefree]

dont know about that,, but if you are saying trad keeps you fit and the pole doesnt, then you are wrong... hands, shoulders arms.. all those parts are getting exercised... and we all still go quick and rush.... good for the lungs...

and my arms now look like i go to the gymm.
 

[Sir Squeaky]

I probably turn over 15-20% more per day (closer to 15 usually I'd say).

I'd say more like 50% or more if your any good!!! 

If you're crap at trad, yes.

[geefree]

i got pretty fast at trad... i raced other cleaners lol...
they did not know.

but i now clean 40% quicker in day. wfp

upstairs window. clean it. pop brush on next window clean it. ... and so on.

how can that not be quicker .? by 50%

of course it is..

even if you take into account everything involved too, before you start saying hoses , reels. bla bla bla.

dont understand how anyone can say its not quicker than trad.

in my opinion, to me its the people who are stuck. steadfast in the past, set in their ways... wont move with the times, and wont accept change who say trad is the best...of course it isnt....

is a screwdriver quicker than a cordless powered one?..... to people who dont accept change , or move on, yes it is...

but in the real world , the modern world.  technology is changing how we live and work..... and one day the debate regarding wfp and trad will not exist....

apart from an odd old timer who insists the old days were the best.

granted ..trad insides is the only way....

buts thats the only time it will be used... in the future...

and, i will bet one day that will be replaced.

accept things. the future is bright.

[mark dew]

The fine thing about trad is that you actually leave the job as a finished article. There are no doubts, ifs or buts. You turn up to dry, dirty windows and you leave dry, clean windows.
The wet windows and puddles on the ground are really the main reason customers are unsure of wfp. That is understandable of course.
But what about that ionics setup shown in their magazine last month which had a vacuum thing that allowed wfp to be used indoors by sucking the water up and was recycled?
I think that has the greatest potential in future.
Imagine using wfp and leaving the windows and ground dry. It's brilliant.
Also with recycling the water it would be possible to take maybe 50 or 100 litres out and work all day doing the same amount of jobs as a 500 litre or 1000 litre tank will allow now.
Fair play to ionics. A zero waste RO and recycling the water used at work would allow all wfp cleaners to work whether there was a drought order or not.
An affordable hot water system with zero waste and powerful vacuum to suck up the water used when working would be a dream come true. A bit like finding the holy grail for window cleaners.
I really look forward to reading on here about the 1st person to successfully diy this setup.

[windowwashers]

i got pretty fast at trad... i raced other cleaners lol...
they did not know.

but i now clean 40% quicker in day. wfp

upstairs window. clean it. pop brush on next window clean it. ... and so on.

how can that not be quicker .? by 50%

of course it is..

even if you take into account everything involved too, before you start saying hoses , reels. bla bla bla.

dont understand how anyone can say its not quicker than trad.

in my opinion, to me its the people who are stuck. steadfast in the past, set in their ways... wont move with the times, and wont accept change who say trad is the best...of course it isnt....

is a screwdriver quicker than a cordless powered one?..... to people who dont accept change , or move on, yes it is...

but in the real world , the modern world.  technology is changing how we live and work..... and one day the debate regarding wfp and trad will not exist....

apart from an odd old timer who insists the old days were the best.

granted ..trad insides is the only way....

buts thats the only time it will be used... in the future...

and, i will bet one day that will be replaced.

accept things. the future is bright.

Have to stick up fopr sqeaky here, there is no way you can be 50% QUICKER AT WFP to trad unless you was very slow at trad and I was quick, I think squeaky is nearly bank on the money with 15/20%

I watch time I alweays have done and I am quick trad wfp I may not be I dont know not seen anyone else doing it in my area apart from the guy that stabed me in the back before I did it   love memory.

anyway trad is quicker on somethings thats a fact wfp on alot of thing is quick 50% IMHO is way out unless as said you either are slow at trad or cany do it.


Ian

p.s if you think I am wrong please let me come out for the day and prove me wrong

[windowwashers]

The fine thing about trad is that you actually leave the job as a finished article. There are no doubts, ifs or buts. You turn up to dry, dirty windows and you leave dry, clean windows.
The wet windows and puddles on the ground are really the main reason customers are unsure of wfp. That is understandable of course.
But what about that ionics setup shown in their magazine last month which had a vacuum thing that allowed wfp to be used indoors by sucking the water up and was recycled?
I think that has the greatest potential in future.
Imagine using wfp and leaving the windows and ground dry. It's brilliant.
Also with recycling the water it would be possible to take maybe 50 or 100 litres out and work all day doing the same amount of jobs as a 500 litre or 1000 litre tank will allow now.
Fair play to ionics. A zero waste RO and recycling the water used at work would allow all wfp cleaners to work whether there was a drought order or not.
An affordable hot water system with zero waste and powerful vacuum to suck up the water used when working would be a dream come true. A bit like finding the holy grail for window cleaners.
I really look forward to reading on here about the 1st person to successfully diy this setup.

I saw the Ionics system first hand and aprt for being three times at leasst slower, it leaves lines same as a squeege on a pole does there idea is a good one to me it is a rushed job to be the first without the home work, fair play to them and diy I would love to see it, only takes one person to pay over 10k for the system and think this aint that hard to do and post it on here then diy indoor will be launched IMo.

Did open up my mind to what can be done