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Dave,

Should have put this way, money they were spending one example.

Purolite - £1080 a year approx
Tulsion - £346 a year approx

Saving £734 a year approx

Alan,

Sorry , that's me jumping to conclusions

[Moderator David@stives]

Cqc

They mean the varistream can be turned down so you only pump 1.5 litres a minute instead of 4 litres a minute without one.

Thats where the resin saving is made, remembber williamsons just sell pumps and dont even warranty ther products.

What do they know about resin ?

Jack

[Moderator David@stives]

Wish i could really get my teeth into this one to support your claims, as i am going RO soon my experiments will take a hell of a lot longer

[alanwilson]

Cqc

They mean the varistream can be turned down so you only pump 1.5 litres a minute instead of 4 litres a minute without one.

Thats where the resin saving is made, remembber williamsons just sell pumps and dont even warranty ther products.

What do they know about resin ?

Jack

well said

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Ask this question at Windex as have had a few window cleaner ask me for their help with their pumps. Their flow has been tank, pump, di vessel.

Williamsons reply the pump cannot handle the forcing the pressure through di vessels, hence the problems you have with the pumps.

Fact, the pump is not designed for the window cleaning industry. It will never as the window cleaning industry is a small percentage.

But fair dues to Williamsons they did look into to it hence the varistream.

[alanwilson]

so whats the verdict on pumps then?  Flojet or shurflo?  Any other brands?

[Moderator David@stives]

Dont know but it is a poor show when williamsi=ons aim there products at wfp but wont honour the warranty if you use microbore, when the world and is dog are using it.

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so whats the verdict on pumps then?  Flojet or shurflo?  Any other brands?

Aquatec are trying to enter the market, think a few suppliers are trialing their products

[alanwilson]

Dont know but it is a poor show when williamsi=ons aim there products at wfp but wont honour the warranty if you use microbore, when the world and is dog are using it.

very true again.  trade description act states that a product must be fit for the purpose it was intended for!

where can I get one of these dogs?

DA - I've got 2 aquatec pumps (secondhand off ebay), haven't used them yet though.

[macmac]

There is such a fine line between money saved and simplicity and less hassle, say a van brings in £400 for the day , then £3.00 saved in resin seems immaterial. if there is any saving to be made at all.

Time is money and time spent messing about with di in the van is a no brainer, ask anyone who has di in the van how long they take each month tending to ther vessils, most people i know have hassle. ie flow rate fluctuating , pressure build up, air locks , leaks, with so many connections more chance of pop offs.

The trouble with hard pipe is the time involved undoing everything when its time for a resin change.

DI out is the only way for me

Dave
I don't want to sound rude, you may have a good business but to be honest mate you haven't a clue about resin/di's, set ups etc. your remarks about vessel shaking & other things proove this. No wonder WCW arn't offering you any genuine advice when they're taking over a grand per year from you (can't blame them realy). As for DI's in vans, mine have been in 4 years & given me virtually no issues at all, i've certainley not lost any working time due to them being in the van. I can't understand why you have such a negative response to someone trying to help you, espesialy people who have absolutley nothing to gain from it. It's so easy to make the DI's air tight for a few quid & maybe 20 mins of your time! To get them to work perfectly, maintainence free is quite simple i can only assume your advisors/suppliers are extracting the urine from you or you are just not interested in listening to anyone.

Tony

[Moderator David@stives]

Tony

You dont seem to listen as well, you cant get blood out of a stone, if there is no life left in the resin then there is no life left.

Where does the life come from.

If it is exhausted it is exhausted.

I am not negative one bit , i am a positive thinker and have an open mind.

As for not having di/ van issues , i suppose you dont have staff who seem to create problems or cant fix something that takes me or you 2 mins.

I think you are becoming rude young man and quite insulting.

It is a bit like the parrot sketch in monty python.

This parrot is dead, deceased , snuffed it , no life left.

Now go and annoy someone else

[macmac]

Tony

You dont seem to listen as well, you cant get blood out of a stone, if there is no life left in the resin then there is no life left.

Where does the life come from.

If it is exhausted it is exhausted.

I am not negative one bit , i am a positive thinker and have an open mind.

As for not having di/ van issues , i suppose you dont have staff who seem to create problems or cant fix something that takes me or you 2 mins.

I think you are becoming rude young man and quite insulting.

It is a bit like the parrot sketch in monty python.

This parrot is dead, deceased , snuffed it , no life left.

Now go and annoy someone else

My point indeed.

Take your pick, for example

1. resin exhausted after 10000ltrs
                or
2. resin exhausted after 25000ltrs

It's as simple as that, you are right, once it's gone it's gone BUT yours is going 2/3 times faster than ours. why? brand of resin + too high flow rate through it. I don't care what wcw or any white collar man says, theory is theory, proof is proof.

Rude? me?  david

Tony

[Moderator David@stives]

Tony

Where is the proof ?

Where is the conclusive test ?

One person conduted a test one with a 40-40 , and one with a merlin, the one that produced more had a 40% less input tds.

The merlin could let smaller or bigger particles through ? I dont know.

You can only compare like with like

Do you know how di actual works , do you know the science behind it.

It has gone because there is no more room left for the positive and negative charged particles to stick  to the resin beads.

Where does the extra room on the beads come from ?

Maybe resin brands do make a difference but we needproper tests.

Still not answered the question , why does the test not work at a smaller scale as in 500ml vessils ?

Answer that one

[d s windowcleaning]

so whats the verdict on pumps then? Flojet or shurflo? Any other brands?

i have both these pumps and i think flojet is the better of the 2 .

[macmac]

I ain't a scientist

% isn't relevant here, it's only 2ppm! tap water will fluctuate more than this.

e.g. 1ppm & 2ppm is a 100% difference but only equates to 1ppm
    
       100ppm & 200ppm is a 100% difference but equates to 100ppm

So both equasions differ by the same % but (what is important here) the input tds is 99ppm apart!

Alan wilson's test is a good indicator at what i already know, we're all the same, we want to produce 000ppm water as cheaply as we can but without added hassle & aggro. If you want scientific tests then you'll need to look elsewhere, i'm not THAT into saving you money.

Tony

[macmac]

so whats the verdict on pumps then? Flojet or shurflo? Any other brands?

i have both these pumps and i think flojet is the better of the 2 .

Shouldn't you be at wembley?

Tony