Interested In Advertising? | Contact Us Here
Warning!

 

Welcome to Clean It Up; the UK`s largest cleaning forum with over 34,000 members

 

Please login or register to post and reply to topics.      

 

Forgot your password? Click here

Ian Gourlay

  • Posts: 5746
Carpet Audit Wear Age
« on: March 16, 2008, 02:10:38 am »
Just been reading stuff I got on a Discovery Day so not giving away state secrets


 When doing a Carpet Audit and giving your prescription to the customer on what is needed to retore her home to full health

How do you calculate the wear age of a carpet

What factors do you take into account


I would also be interested if anyone is involved with Amway

I remember in the late 70s they used to do a cleaning audit just wondering if anyone has their script

Art

  • Posts: 3688
Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2008, 02:15:01 am »
Ian, amway is pyramid selling, so not anything like ccing?

robert stubbs

  • Posts: 266
Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2008, 08:05:30 am »
Be careful Art.

[edit] FTC investigation
Main article: In re. Amway Corp.
In a 1979 court ruling,[7] the Federal Trade Commission found that Amway does not qualify as an illegal pyramid scheme since the main aim of the enterprise is the sale of product and money is paid only for business volume, personal and group. It did, however, order Amway to change several business practices and prohibited the company from misrepresenting the amount of profit, earnings or sales its distributors are likely to achieve with the business. Amway was ordered to accompany any such statements with the actual averages per distributor, pointing out that more than half of the distributors do not make any money, with the average distributor making less than $100 per month. The order was violated with a 1986 ad campaign, resulting in a $100,000 fine.[8]

Amway and its American online incarnation, Quixtar have had allegations that these companies are pyramid schemes or cults, despite the 1979 FTC ruling[5] that legitimized the Amway business. The case revealed that, as of 1979, most of the products sold by Amway were to the Independent Business Owners (IBOs) themselves for personal consumption rather than to retail consumers who weren't enrolled as IBOs. Buying products or directing clients to buy from Amway or Quixtar gives IBOs points and they are paid back on the number of points that they generate from personal consumption or from client volume. An existing IBO can sponsor others to get an IBO number so that they can help others divert their buying habit from other stores to Amway or Quixtar. Thus, the business grows as a greater number of people join the group. The share of profit is based on the volume that an IBO is responsible for each month, therefore an IBO may actually make more money per month than the IBO who sponsored them into the Business.

In 1986 Amway Corp. agreed, under a consent decree filed in federal court, to pay a $100,000 civil penalty to settle Commission charges it violated a 1979 Commission order that prohibits Amway from misrepresenting the amount of profit, earnings or sales its distributors are likely to achieve. According to a complaint filed with the consent decree, Amway violated the 1979 order by advertising earnings claims without including in it clear and conspicuous disclosures of the average earnings or sales of all distributors in any recent year or the percent of distributors who actually achieved the results claimed. [9]


spindle

  • Posts: 680
Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2008, 09:45:59 am »
my freind got sucked in by amway products 15 years ago

its a brain washing technique..........

life is one big learning experience!!!!!!!

mark shannon

  • Posts: 961
Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2008, 09:50:12 am »
Ian only wants a look at the sales script guys  :-\

Doug Holloway

  • Posts: 3917
Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2008, 09:54:06 am »
Hi Guys

I did Amway very briefly in 1982 before deciding to run a proper business and go into CC.I can't remember the sales blurb but it was really aimed at getting the agents to supply their friends and families, rather than sell to the general public.

This 'Wear Age' thing has got my bull attenae wagging furiously, presumably its just very complicated way of assessing the carpets condition.

I market on the opposite tack to this sort of thing, straightforward, no bull, well my girlfriend reckons there is some bull ;D

I suppose there are different types of customers so both approaches are valid.

Cheers

Doug



carpet guy

Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2008, 10:06:29 am »
Ian

Why bother.........................seriously.....................how much business will it get you for effort made ?

Do an exceptional job at a reasonable price and you will e in demand.

rob

nothing wrong with Amway it's direct selling, nobody gets conned and their products are fine, I never joined, but attended a couple of presentations about 25 years ago.

Ian Gourlay

  • Posts: 5746
Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2008, 02:51:43 pm »
I am not joining Amway did that in 70s very disapointed at faliure   i just remembered one of their sales tactics was to do a cleaning audit and sell their products.

So just wondered if anyone has their script. 


I would like to know how when you do carpetsaudits you calculate wear age of a carpet

Or do you just insult a customer with a 3 year old carpet and tell her it looks five years old

Perhaps Dave Lee or Colin Bright know the answer

carpet guy

Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2008, 04:27:30 pm »
Wear audit, is really guestimation, based on the likely wear of a particular type of carpet according to traffic flow,etc. BUT................modern women get bored with carpets and want them replaced after a very short time, so the wear  / time factor is not worth considering.

Saw one last week, an expensive 80 /20 in almost new condition must have cost about £3 k, but the lady was bored with it and wanted a change.

rob

*paul_moss

  • Posts: 2961
Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2008, 07:33:47 pm »
Ian why would you need to audit the age of the carpet.
You can make your own guess on experience or just ask the customer  ::) she will tell you its age.
If its had heavy use for its age and looks crap then just replace it. If its had little use for its age and looks good then its got a few more years left.

Strange thread really  ???
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
REMOVED FOR POSTING OFFENSIVE MATERIAL

carpet guy

Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2008, 07:54:24 pm »
Paul

It's the remaing  lifespan that's the issue, corny, or what ?

*paul_moss

  • Posts: 2961
Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2008, 07:58:11 pm »
Rob, thats more down to personal choice of the customer. I have seen nice carpets with loads of life left in them but the customer is fussy and wants a new one, again ive seen a worn carpet that I would not have kept yet the customer is happy with it.
The life span is more down to the customers position and choice rather than actual life left in it.
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
REMOVED FOR POSTING OFFENSIVE MATERIAL

Ian Gourlay

  • Posts: 5746
Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2008, 08:03:19 pm »
Its one of the findings on the Carpet Audit I have always had difficulty filling that section in

as no one knows the answer I am going to take that section out of the form

Shaun_Ashmore

  • Posts: 11382
Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2008, 08:06:52 pm »
Ian don't tangle yourself up in rhetoric, just ask the questio "how old" and then move on then say "based on the sizes nd age of your carpets the price to restore them would be £XXX"

Keep it professional but keep it simple.

Shaun

*paul_moss

  • Posts: 2961
Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2008, 08:08:54 pm »
Ian your first thread says
Just been reading stuff I got on a Discovery Day so not giving away state secrets

your last thread says
Its one of the findings on the Carpet Audit I have always had difficulty filling that section in


I cant really work out what you really mean or what answer you want  ???
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
REMOVED FOR POSTING OFFENSIVE MATERIAL

Ian Gourlay

  • Posts: 5746
Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2008, 08:16:18 pm »
on the Carpet audit

You have to put the Wear Age of the Carpet

I have seen a formula for calculating it but never understood it

Personally like Rob i think it is a naff part of the form

just wanted to know what others did about it

PaulKing

  • Posts: 1626
Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2008, 08:21:25 pm »
what is a discovery day???? ???
www.revitaclean.com  established 1968 in Newcastle Upon Tyne

*paul_moss

  • Posts: 2961
Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2008, 08:22:10 pm »
Ian, I see what you mean now.
Just bin it mate, it sound typical JP  b ollocks.
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
REMOVED FOR POSTING OFFENSIVE MATERIAL

*paul_moss

  • Posts: 2961
Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2008, 08:23:15 pm »
what is a discovery day???? ???
Paul I think is an Alltec day, to get you on fast track ;) ;D
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
REMOVED FOR POSTING OFFENSIVE MATERIAL

carpet guy

Re: Carpet Audit Wear Age
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2008, 08:26:50 pm »
Naff