[davep]

Hi,

I went to the Solutions stain removal course on Monday, they had a Scorpion set up..  I asked the guy if it came with a heater, he told me it is an extra but most dont use it as it such a powerful machine?

Just wondering what the Scorpion users on here thought..

[des]

Ive had my scorpion500psi  for just over a year Best machine ive ever had .Lack of a heater has never being a problem .Hot water from the house .But i do have a heater that i can plug in nearer the wand if needed  With the chemicals and pre agitation  i do not seem to use the heater very often Des

[davep]

Do you have it kept in the van with tanks Des? 

[Joe H]

Ive had my scorpion500psi  for just over a year Best machine ive ever had .Lack of a heater has never being a problem .Hot water from the house .But i do have a heater that i can plug in nearer the wand if needed  With the chemicals and pre agitation  i do not seem to use the heater very often Des

My comments are same as Des.
My machine is the 300psi but have converted it to 2" hose.

Do have a twin chamber heater but use warm water from tap. Have done cold water washes Ok but personally (and probably a mind thing) I do prefer some warm water.

Use mine as a poratable with up to 75' 2" hoses.
Now looking at 2" wand - dont know whether to go 2" at 12" (2 jet) or 2" at 14" (4 jet) - any one with experiance with a Scorp?

Also have a Stinger from Solutions UK whic presprays using the pump on the Scorpio. Have a 25litre water tank with premixed M-Power/Nemeis Super, take the solution hose out of Scorp cleanwater tank, drop into portable 25lit water tank and use the Stinger. Saves a lot of time over a hand pump up sprayer.

Great buy and good service.

[davep]

So do you keep yours van mounted Joe?

[Joe H]

No - I use mine as a portable - but leave it outside as much as possible at a customers.

The tanks take up lot of room in van although I believe you can get a frame to mount one on top of the other.

One or two others are van mounted but cant remember who off hand (age problem you see - if you not there yet, its not something to look forward too )

[davep]

I see, so you leave pre spray mix in van..  maybe i could come take a look one day?

[nevil]

Don't forget Chemical activity occurs at twice the rate with every 10 degree ( Celcius ) increase of temperature.

That is a fact.  I am certain I want hot water in my Arsenal when cleaning a bad one.

I hear some of you say " these 63rd generation  microspliters more than compensate for the lack of heat"  Maybe they are good but the same law of physics applies when using them. 

[Joe H]

I see, so you leave pre spray mix in van..  maybe i could come take a look one day?

The pre spray is in a 25 litre water container - like campers have - its only 5 galls or so.
This has to be near the Scorpion because the hoses in the freah water tank pull out to drop into the 25 litre container then pump thro the machine to the Stinger sprayer.

If you want to pop along ok. This Friday a guy from Bakewell is coming to Warrington. He is due for delivery of a new Sorpion (first ever machine) soon so he asked if I can run through it with him. If you interested I let you know address of Kingdom Hall we are going to for a play around.

[Joe H]

Don't forget Chemical activity occurs at twice the rate with every 10 degree ( Celcius ) increase of temperature.
That is a fact.  I am certain I want hot heat in my Arsenal when cleaning a bad one.
I hear some of you say " these 63rd generation  microspliters more than compensate for the lack of heat"  Maybe they are good but the same law of physics applies when using them. 

Dont want to start a debate over hot or cold water extraction - its been wacked out on here too many times
BUT
there are c.cleaners that have achieved very good cleans without the use of warm or hot.
there are others, like me, who have done it but prefer to use warm water from tap (mind thing like I said)
Might seem impossible to you at the moment to use cold water and get a result but its been done by respected carpet cleaners - you will just have to try it.

[mark shannon]

I have a Recoil which is similar but not as refined as Scorpion. I use a heat exchanger on most jobs however when i have tested splitters with or without heat i must say the heat doesn't seem to make much difference.

Still i find heat helps trad chems and i find it reassuring maybe its psychological, we wouldn't shower in cold water by choice would we 

[davep]

Ta Joe i will come along too.  Will give you a call later 

[homecare]

I also use the 500psi scorpion and tend to agree with joe,like to use hot tap water where possible,if required I have the inline heater to fall back on.Have used cold water with microsplitter and had amazing results.the stinger is a very usefull bit of equipment to add to your kit.mike

[Mike Halliday]

you shouldn't really use the word 'hot'  because what you really mean is 'warm'

hot water does make a difference but warm doesn't, you might as well use cold.

that why people say " i used hot water & cold, there's is'nt really any difference' that because they are really using warm water.

the QCs with hot water scold your arms and leave blisters.

[Joe H]

Well there you are - I said it was all in the mind.

[Amethyst]

Just as an add on to this thread I use a Scorpion XPS 500psi and normally would use "hot" water from the customers tap. However I recently cleaned a pub carpet and there was no hot water available. Here we go I thought - its worth a try and the result? Excellent! Amazed me but it does seem to me that m/splitters can work with cold water. So I wouldn't rule that line of thought out.

[Ken Wainwright]

I run a Scorpion 500psi.

Don't have a heater or an in-line.

I typically run with hand hot from the customers tap but frequently have the need to use a cold water rinse. Doesn't seem to make any difference at all.

Des
You can have a Westpac 4 jet wand in 12" width as well as 14". The lance tube is actually 1.75" with a 2" end tube for fitting the 2" hose cuff.  I've got the 12" with a GreenGlide. I love it.  I fancy trying the new Greenie wand but would npot dream of buying without trying first.

I use the Scorpio as a portable. I have the van mount tanks and although I've worked with them on my van, I haven't got enough space to make it a realistic and viable proposition.

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[mark shannon]

Ken, Des i have the 12" Greenhorn wand you can have a try at the CCDO

[Joe H]

Ken
So you have a 2" 12"wide 4 jet.
what pressure do you run that at and how quick does the water disappear from clean tank ie are you allways filling

[Ken Wainwright]

I typically run at 200-250 on carpet, but I do a lot of agitation with Envirodri which eases the rinse process considerably.

I run a total of .06 on jets so the delivery is the same as a typical 2 jet wand with 2x03's. But with the jets being closer to the carpet, they're a bit more efficient.

Water consumption, even at 300psi, is less than my old Pro-Plus which was 100psi (ease and speed of working)

Safe and happy cleaning
ken