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jikwan

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freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« on: February 11, 2008, 05:55:03 pm »
changing the drums-whipping the feed hose in and out always gives an airlock
and has to be blasted out   turning pump on full to clear it out
ive noticed you can see the offending airlock in topmost part of the hose
anyone tried fitting an air valve at that place
im asking first before i try it myself
Zen is the art of seeing everything.....noticing nothing

dave0123

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Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2008, 05:59:14 pm »
I change my barrel's before it gets 2 low 2 suck air in.

other things iv done is put my finger in the hozelock connector turn pum on for a sec let go then pump switchers off connect hose again blas it for 1 or 2 secs seems 2 work.
Dave.

Bobs Window Cleaning

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Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2008, 06:01:35 pm »
Been using my trolley since April and  had very few airlocks. You must be causing the airlock by letting the water get too low.

I leave a couple of inches in the barrel before changing.


Bob
Why oh Why did he spell my name as bod & not bob on my wedding invites.

jikwan

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Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2008, 06:09:31 pm »
it happens even barrels half full
if that airlock dont get blasted out youll have erratic pump performance
blasting it out is a real wast of water
takes me 3-4 secs full blast
im almost crying when isee it wasted like that
Zen is the art of seeing everything.....noticing nothing

dave0123

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Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2008, 06:12:37 pm »
must have air gettin in somewere then i imagion. have a look at it
Dave.

xxmattyxx

Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2008, 06:21:45 pm »
Okay, maybe Im a newbie with the trolley, but last week because I havent got a strainer on my pump I fitted the mesh with a jubilee-clip from a 75p tea-strainer onto the end of the intake pipe, I havent had an airlock since (not that I can remember anyway).

The mesh seems to create with the water surface tension a film across the inlet.

Matt

jikwan

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Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2008, 06:22:39 pm »
airs getting in and i know exactly where its coming from
whipping it out-water runs out until the time you have it vertical then turn the valve
also when putting it into the fresh supply it drips creating more air
whipping it out---hell man iaint slow
anyone that wants to challenge me to a pipe whipping contest had better be on the ball!    i sure got a mean wrist
Zen is the art of seeing everything.....noticing nothing

jikwan

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Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2008, 06:25:10 pm »
well matt
if your strainer idea works ill get you a nobel prize for it
gotta try it out
Zen is the art of seeing everything.....noticing nothing

dave0123

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Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2008, 06:27:49 pm »
Quote
Okay, maybe Im a newbie with the trolley, but last week because I havent got a strainer on my pump I fitted the mesh with a jubilee-clip from a 75p tea-strainer onto the end of the intake pipe, I havent had an airlock since (not that I can remember anyway).

The mesh seems to create with the water surface tension a film across the inlet.


I might try that as i havent got a strainer on my pump either
Dave.

xxmattyxx

Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2008, 06:31:10 pm »
No no no, I tell a lie; I did have one airlock, and remember having to take the strainer off, but it has cut down on them.

I have also tried (before the tea-bag thingy) filling an old GG4 bottle with RO water, when theres an airlock I upturned the inlet pipe (so nozzle pointed towards the sky) and poured RO into it, to prime it, that did sort it for sure)

jikwan

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Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2008, 06:43:16 pm »
pouring water though effective will be time consuming
just had an idea   you know those petrol filters they use for chainsaws
and strimmers  a pretty dense filter    that i imagine would stop any dribbling
Zen is the art of seeing everything.....noticing nothing

Conflagration2000

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Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2008, 06:54:01 pm »
I'd check all your connections. I've only had one when I went too low in the barrel. I just stuck my finger in the hozelock stop and it cleared it straight away. All the little bits left in the barrel are just poured in to the last barrel.
Just like that

The Seven Bays Window Cleaning Company

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Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2008, 07:08:34 pm »
Airlocks are easy to rid of with the Freedom Trollley.

Take the hoselock connector off  ( outlet one) the pole hose pipe, and stick your finger in to push down the widget that's in there, at this point have the pump running pretty high - hay presto the air is gushing out and full pressure is resumed.  Try it - it works. I worked it by accident, but glad I did. ;D
THE SEVEN BAYS WINDOW CLEANING COMPANY

xxmattyxx

Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2008, 07:08:55 pm »
pouring water though effective will be time consuming
just had an idea   you know those petrol filters they use for chainsaws
and strimmers  a pretty dense filter    that i imagine would stop any dribbling

I went to SCATS (agricultural supplier) to get a sprayer filter for a knapsack sp
rayer, like those petrol ones, the mesh was too dense, nothing would go through it. Generally those filters have liquid forced through them, we're just suckin' with the trolley  ;D

jikwan

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Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2008, 07:31:08 pm »
no matt
i worked with chainsaws and strimmers 5 years  overhauling+use
the white 1 inch filter thats attatched to main fuel hose that goes to carburretor
is sucked not forced
our 60 or 100 psi pump is 1000 times the "sucking" power
could i ask you out of curiosity (and also that i might want to try it out)
did you try it out?  did you find restriction in the flow?

this filter concept can squash many scorpions with one stone

Zen is the art of seeing everything.....noticing nothing

Jon-scwindows

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Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2008, 07:38:56 pm »
why not get a brass hoselock female connector with built in valve and male connector/ cut the suction hose, put the female one on the hose to the pump and have the other bit with a male one, then have a hole in the lid so its easier to change barrels. Just shut the valve before disconnection & changing.

jikwan

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Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2008, 07:41:32 pm »
gofish  yes i daresay your solution is effective
im trying to find some way of eliminating the airlock without doing anything
conecting disconecting  filling the hose    blasting it out etc  pressing this or that
another idea is a one way valve at the end of the hose

im also getting the feeling im the only guy in the world that has this problem
Zen is the art of seeing everything.....noticing nothing

xxmattyxx

Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2008, 07:54:10 pm »
no matt
i worked with chainsaws and strimmers 5 years  overhauling+use
the white 1 inch filter thats attatched to main fuel hose that goes to carburretor
is sucked not forced
our 60 or 100 psi pump is 1000 times the "sucking" power
could i ask you out of curiosity (and also that i might want to try it out)
did you try it out?  did you find restriction in the flow?

this filter concept can squash many scorpions with one stone



We are talking about 2 different types of filter here, is the one you are talking about the one that sits on the end of the inlet pipe in the fuel tank?

The ones I looked at were for chemical sprayers, they filtered any debris out before it gets to the nozzle on a knapsack sprayer, therefore these ones have the spray forced through them, its forced through by manually pumping the machine. But the mesh on them was far too small, far far too small, I didnt even bother buying to just see, it was obvious they were no good.

Matt

jikwan

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Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2008, 07:55:00 pm »
jon  igot a rough idea of your concept
hows the tyres and suspension?
i forgot to mention that with 30psi it works with a heavy payload
but when the car is light youll get a lot of wear on the centre of tyre
got to change the pressure
Zen is the art of seeing everything.....noticing nothing

jikwan

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Re: freedom trolley airlock problem-one possible solution
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2008, 08:01:02 pm »
matt
definetly sticks on the end of fuel line
this nozzle type filter im not familiar with
its white fairly dense but not so too dense   hell you can blow through it easy
put it in your mouth
get em from chainsaw/strimmer suppliers
Zen is the art of seeing everything.....noticing nothing