[Mike Osbourne]

DFC 105, what exactly is it?

I tried this a while back as a rinse agent in my portable and though there's lots of verbage on it on Chemspecs site it doesn't say what it is.

I think Carpetguy suggested on a recent post that it's an encap product. If so this would be worth trying with a rotary on a job I've got coming up. But is it? And if so why is it not mensioned anywhere.

[Ken Wainwright]

Mike

I've used Chemspec's DFC105 and was very impressed with it's performance. It can be used as a pre-spray and a rinse agent. I've also rinsed it successfully with freshwater (after taking advice from the supplier).

DFC105 has the highest certification I am aware of for Green Products in our industry.

There is no claim made for it to be an encapsulation product and indeed, it's low foam property would not be compatible with the encapsulation process.

I felt that it performed better(or should I say easier?) @ 20:1 on polypropylene than a conventional micro-splitter.

At a claimed pH of 7.5 to 8.5 it would be tempting to use this product on wool, but it is not a Woolsafe Approved product. I must ask Chempspec whether it will be submitted for approval.

IMO, Chemspec's DFC105 makes an excellent Eco-Friendly (certified) multi fibre product that, on it's own, will fulfill most of our day to day cleaning requirements.

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[garyj]

For the first time in years I bought some microsplitters today and was recommened DFC105 by the supplier to use in the tank to enhance the cleaning. After going back to 'normal' chemicals and now trying microplitters again I feel happier having something else in the tank other than just water!

[davep]

Have you lads tried it with the DFC 210?  Think i will give it a whirl..

[Mike Osbourne]

Thanks for replies. I was going to try it with a rotary or a BW but probably not the way to go as I only have a shampoo brush with it ATM

However I stil want to know what it is? Is it a microsplitter, colloid or what?

On the bottle I've just noticed it says the last step vacuum! LOL

Also if I buy something over here it would be nice to have dilution rates that are easy to work out, or rather less likely to get very wrong. All this yanky ounces and gallons business. :

[garyj]

I've presumed it is a microsplitter, as so many have said in the past that microsplitters keep working after you have left the house, I guess it also makes sense not to rinse the stuff out!

[Mike Osbourne]

I thought it was colloids not splitters that kept on working, hence no dwell time on splitters?

[Ken Wainwright]

My understanding is the same as Mikes that DFC105 does not continue to work after rinsing.

The term Microsplitter is, as far as I'm aware, a marketing term coined by one of the early manufacturers of detegent free carpet cleaning products. DFC is a detergent/surfactant free cleaning product.

BTW, I also used DFC105 as a bonnet solution. Couldn't fault it.  All cleaned carpets, regardless of system used, look better for being vacuumed when dry. My view is that with encap it is essential, with bonnet cleaning preferable and with Rinse/Extract well, the customer will do it tomorrow anyway :

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[Mike Osbourne]

Interesting Ken, thanks.

[garyj]

Yep, I understand the term microsplitter is a marketing term. I turned to them because I believed they were idiot proof and they would put me on a more equal footing with the established carpet cleaners, just seemed you pre-sprayed and extracted, for someone like me they took away the need to acid rinse and worry myself half to death if a sofa or carpet was going to start fizzing and banging once I'd sprayed something on it. My understanding was and still is, they carry on working AFTER you have left. If I am wrong please let me know asap, because they what i was telling my customers a few years ago and when this new batch arrives tomorrow thats what I'll be telling them again.

You can see why I thought DFC105 is a microsplitter, detergent free, surfactant free PH near on 7.

[Mike Osbourne]

This is going to sound really thick, but if it's a non detergent/surfactant free product and it's non of the other things mensioned then I still don't know what it is that makes it work.

Sorry I'm a bit slow sometimes.

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

I'm pretty sure the Chemspec M.D told me at carpex that it was another sodium salt.

I have a sample I will check.

Cheers

Doug

[Mike Halliday]

Gary, M/S do not continue working after you leave, M/S are a pre-spray which should be removed by your rinse solution, so none of it is left on the fabric to keep working, I think you are mixing it up with M-power which has been said keeps cleaning after you leave (but again how can it, unless it is used with a bonnet system, because like M/S it is a pre-spray, so should be fully rinsed off)

[garyj]

M Power wasn't around when I first started using MS, so it was something I was told years ago and continued to believe, till now. Looks like I've been wrong for a long time.

[Ken Wainwright]

Just throwing some thoughts around here as I can't get a conection to the DFC105 MSDS page.

DFC210 is claimed to be phosphate free. Phosphates have questionable Eco properties (conflicting views I've heard from different sides)

DFC105 has good "Green" certification by worldwide trusted authorities. This suggests to me that it is phosphate free.

From my point of view, the DFC105 is green and versatile, effective, easy to use and is only mildly alkaline.

Can anyone else establish a link from here for the MSDS sheet?
http://www.chemspecdirect.co.uk/#6637X6639

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

PS
Whoops The link doesn't take you straight to the product page, just to the home page, you'll need to navigate to the 105's page.  If this is regarded as being too much of a brand advert, I would understand if the modeators deleted the link or this post.
Ken

[stevegunn]

Try this one
http://www.chemspecworld.com/fileshare/product_msds//dfc/DFC105.pdf

[Ken Wainwright]

Thanks for that Steve

Doesn't tell us much though. I did notice that it states " All ingredients are listed and generally regarded as being safe for consumption by theFood and Drugs Administration"
Coming from a normally very cautious US authority, this suggests that it has very good human safety credentials.

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[stevegunn]

It is approved by the CRI & green seal certified

http://www.chemspecworld.com/catalog_browse.asp?ictNbr=208

[Mike Osbourne]

So Ken, what is the active ingredient? It's OK, you can say you don't know, we won't think any less of you.

Colloids are food grade aren't they?

But interesting the instructions say vacuum when dry. hmmmm

[Ken Wainwright]

Mike

I believe that all ingredients are vegetable based and, from memory, they use lactic acid to control the pH.

But don't quote me on that 'cos at my age it's easy to get confused

As for the vaccing bit, especially when used with an LM system, you'd need to make your own arrangements with the customer :

If you have a word with Chemspec Europe or Chemspec Direct, see what their view is as to using the product as a pre-spray with a freshwater rinse and whether there is then any need to post-clean vac.  It's better that you hear it straight from the horses mouth

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken