[Village Gleam]

Call me a wild eyed blabber mouth but how can your secret wc ingredient that you've been working on in secret, makes windows sheet and spots disappear in a totally secret way still be a windex total secret surprise when you've just told us?

[Village Gleam]

The principles of your catalyst project are very interesting.

[Jeff Brimble]

No thanks, they're miles quicker than sheeting ones which you have to rinse and rinse and then can't tell if they're clean.

With water repellent glass it leaves nothing behind and it's dry in an instant.
It's definately the way to go, and more new houses are being built with it, thank god.

Squeeky, Yes some of the window installers-Everest is one use glass that doesnt now cause us probs,  water repellent glass as you call it works great -untill the housewife or window installer, painter  or some buffoon, puts some "Magic Wax Cleaner" on it at a later date and turns it hphobic,

[L.Doubtfire - The Blade Runner]

Did`nt know that Jeff!! I thought that say when Pilkington`s `turn em out`
At the kiln and after,that`s it,it`s coated with `whatever` and the glass is
Phobic.I don`t think many of my clients/customers will have been anywhere
Near the window glass,especially the top windows to start rubbing in WindowLene
Or whatever else.On average I would say 8 out of 10 of my window glass I clean
Is phobic.What do you fella`s find it at? Squeaky,can you tell us how much water
Do you use on an average size window that’s phobic to get a spot free,clean finish?
Thanks.

Lewis Doubtfire Gleem Clean ( The Blade Runner )

[Sir Squeaky]

Did`nt know that Jeff!! I thought that say when Pilkington`s `turn em out`
At the kiln and after,that`s it,it`s coated with `whatever` and the glass is
Phobic.I don`t think many of my clients/customers will have been anywhere
Near the window glass,especially the top windows to start rubbing in WindowLene
Or whatever else.On average I would say 8 out of 10 of my window glass I clean
Is phobic.What do you fella`s find it at? Squeaky,can you tell us how much water
Do you use on an average size window that’s phobic to get a spot free,clean finish?
Thanks.

Lewis Doubtfire Gleem Clean ( The Blade Runner )

How the hell would I know how much water I use on a window?

All I know is I point it at that sort of glass half as long as one that sheets, because you can trust it more and virtually all the water is rinsed off in seconds.

[Village Gleam]

The only way I know to reduce surface tension(make water wetter), decrease the viscosity(make it flow easier), without adding some kind of soaping agent is to heat it.
The only other ways to get the water off the glass(without blading it)would be magnetic repulsion or some kind of high pressure blower mounted atop the pole pointing down that could be used to finish off with.

[Jeff Brimble]

With the hose on the outside, modular hollow poles lend themselves  to it.  An airblade over the brush connected to a leafblower does work but its double the effort.

[dai]

It is a mystery to me, how some windows that are really dirty will sheet, only to start beading after a few cleans.
When I first went WFP, and was able to reach windows over cons that had not been done fore years, some of them sheeted perfectly for a couple of cleans, then started beading. WHY?
If windows bead, and the beads stay put until they dry, there is more chance that airborne dust can stick to them and leave spots. I believe the real source of most spotting is the frames, most spots are right next to them. The more attention you give to the frames the less spotting you get, it's a question of how much time you can devote to the frames, and some frames are a lot easier to clean properly than others.
If you want perfect results on all windows, the frames may have to be considered when pricing the job. Dai

[Jeff Brimble]

No idea why Dai.
When I first started I used to keep a log of the custy windows that sheeted and others that didnt, because over time we forget. I have seen where one side of a pair of panes will sheet and the otherside beads where the custy has reached out, could it have been the custy affecting the glass ? Have you changed your make of brush or gone from St through to Ott  or changed to fans etc or your RO/DI system since you started ?

[Ian Lancaster]

I have been itching to tell someone this but on a lighter note. We have been working on that other solution since May and hope to have it ready for the Cleaning Show

Is that Windex?

[windowwashers]

I have been itching to tell someone this but on a lighter note. We have been working on that other solution since May and hope to have it ready for the Cleaning Show

Is that Windex?

how do you get stands at windex ?

[ants]

My own conservatory has 36 glass panels in it,only one beads the rest sheet.Its only ever been cleaned with water.My son suggested they might have fitted it the wrong way..........    lol .  I dont know

[edd]

NO one has answered the question yet .............. humm?

[Jeff Brimble]

Reply  #1 ?
Have you noticed it on other glass as well ?

[Londoner]

I have several houses that have had their windows cleaned with Mr Muscle or something similar at some time in the past and are still waxy years later. One house in particular has been cleaned trad for 3years using squeegee off and WFP for 2 years and is no better now. Even if you clean them trad today the soap goes into what I call 50p shapes.
You never can be sure what the history of a window is, even new windows aren't exempt because the installers could have given them a wipe over with some so called glass cleaner.

[dai]

The windows I did over cons had not been cleaned for years, and sheeted perfectly for a couple of cleans.
It's highly unlikely that the house holder would have put something on the glass, having not been able to get near them previously. I still use the same set up I started with apart from the brushes, but I was still using the original Vikan when I first noticed this.

I listened to an interesting programme the other week about waterproofing. It said that the best way to renew water proofing on an old jacket, was to tumble dry it. This opens up the pores so that the fabric has tiny holes in it, this causes the water to form beads and run off. It's the same with soil after prolonged dry weather. The water runs off instead of soaking in, hence the "right kind of rain" they were talking about.
Maybe, just maybe, the glass that beads has tiny indentations. The water could settle in them. and the surface tension holds them there. The beads must be gripping the glass somehow. Dai

[NWH]

By cleaning with isopropanol for a long enough time you should eventually break down this wax therefore leading to lots more sheeting window`s,that`s my aim.Window`s that bead up on waxy window`s can be a dream to do providing that there giorgian panes of glass,glass that beads up on larger window`s can cause some spotting but for some reason on the smaller panes spotting seems to be minimal.

[Wayne Thomas]

It's probably more to do with the proportional  mix of anions to cations in a bag of de-ionised resin because some unreputable suppiers buy both and mix in different proportions to enhance their profit margins. Do a ph test on the water to see if it reads neutral, acid or alkaline.

[Jeff Brimble]

Maybe, just maybe, the glass that beads has tiny indentations. The water could settle in them. and the surface tension holds them there. The beads must be gripping the glass somehow. Dai

Thats really cool Dai

 

[NWH]

Glass is pourous,it has millions and millions of tiny holes in it.That`s why this new glass with a water repellent like covering is good for us as it gives a more only what can be described as a flatter surface.