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L.Doubtfire - The Blade Runner

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Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« on: December 26, 2007, 03:46:52 pm »



This subject has been discussed before and just wonder what members think to this idea? Go to www.friendsof water.com/Water Catch.html . This product is US based
And as the site say`s, it has`nt even been produced yet thru` lack of interest.This winter I`m hoping to try and get something going and in position that will replace my
RO unit permanently.I`ve looked and searched around but can`t find a suitable alternative to whats above.Can anyone suggest anything that’s the equivalent to what
Is above.? I used rainwater for a few weeks about 8 or 9 months ago and honestly,I find it superior in general to anything that goes thru` an RO unit.This applies especially on phobic glass.All replies and comments much appreciated.

P.S. I caught the water from workshop and garden shed roof,anything up to 500 liters
Per day on really rainy days,but started having problems for one reason or another with my tds readings starting to climb.Originally I could get it as low as 2ppm but ended up at 17 ppm.
L. Doubtfire
Window Cleaner

Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2007, 05:28:55 pm »



This subject has been discussed before and just wonder what members think to this idea? Go to www.friendsof water.com/Water Catch.html . This product is US based
And as the site say`s, it has`nt even been produced yet thru` lack of interest.This winter I`m hoping to try and get something going and in position that will replace my
RO unit permanently.I`ve looked and searched around but can`t find a suitable alternative to whats above.Can anyone suggest anything that’s the equivalent to what
Is above.? I used rainwater for a few weeks about 8 or 9 months ago and honestly,I find it superior in general to anything that goes thru` an RO unit.This applies especially on phobic glass.All replies and comments much appreciated.

P.S. I caught the water from workshop and garden shed roof,anything up to 500 liters
Per day on really rainy days,but started having problems for one reason or another with my tds readings starting to climb.Originally I could get it as low as 2ppm but ended up at 17 ppm.

What was the tds of the rain water once in your tank before resin ect ?

L.Doubtfire - The Blade Runner

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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2007, 05:39:45 pm »



I used to not use resin,plain untreated rainwater.I used to filter it thru`
Aquarium wool recommended by Jeff Brimble.If the rainwater is
Completely untreated it works much better I found.

Lewis Doubtfire
L. Doubtfire
Window Cleaner

Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2007, 05:44:07 pm »



I used to not use resin,plain untreated rainwater.I used to filter it thru`
Aquarium wool recommended by Jeff Brimble.If the rainwater is
Completely untreated it works much better I found.

Lewis Doubtfire

thats just given me an idea, will get some filters from my dad's shop and wool  ;)

d s windowcleaning

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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2007, 09:22:09 pm »
why bother to harvest rain water for what you would save & store is it worth it . rain water can messure 002 tds reading but unless you got loads of water butts i wouldnt consider this option .
where theres muck theres money

matt

Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2007, 09:25:20 pm »
why bother to harvest rain water for what you would save & store is it worth it . rain water can messure 002 tds reading but unless you got loads of water butts i wouldnt consider this option .

its more to do with the eco side of it from what i gather from the people who do it

d s windowcleaning

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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2007, 09:59:55 pm »
matt i no its more to do with eco side . im thinking more amout side . l doubtfire as caught up to 500ltrs a day but how many days as this happend . can it keep you working for a year doubt it . so will it be worth it in the long run ? some how i cant see this .
where theres muck theres money

L.Doubtfire - The Blade Runner

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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2007, 07:03:45 am »




Hi Dave,during a period of drought,or perhaps up to a month without rain,
Possibly what you state might apply.I`m `small fry`,and use very little water
Compared to some of you fella`s.It`s a sophisticated and `mobile` arrangement
For catching rain that my post was about.Not wether it is a viable project or not.
A few of us including Jeff Brimble has got into this way before,I just need to get
Myself going again,but improving what I already have in position.

Lewis  Doubtfire
L. Doubtfire
Window Cleaner

Jeff Brimble

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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2007, 12:08:39 pm »
Hi Lewis, without going into the debate about whether you can get enough rain or not. A std. std house roof will collect enough but the tds may vary from 0.6 -25tds so my thoughts are for those that want to including anyone with a high tds, they should use that roo fand possibly a neighbours.But you have to consider what to do with all the water you dont need (gallons and Gallons of it) After basic sponge filtration into a large butt or two or an IBC, then through either a basic gravity fed DI filtration that could be home made or simple DI cannisters. Or Through an existing RO system with an added pressure pump.
Whatever you collect is free and "green" - just look at it as an added system until you get going, I havent swithed on my RO since August.

bluez

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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2007, 01:39:43 pm »
Any chance of a picture Jeff or anyone else using a similar set up?
hi

dudek

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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2007, 02:47:13 pm »
i cant remember the web address but the americans have got a piece of technology that can pull moisture out of the air to service army personell serving in iraq.

The technology is patented but this is the sort of thing we need to go mainstream as we would no longer need filters and we could swicth the thing on as we needed it without any effect to the water suply.

lets face if they can get water from desert air they would have no problems in our climate. ;D

L.Doubtfire - The Blade Runner

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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2007, 03:27:20 pm »




Regarding that web site in my original post.This is possibly `Heath Robinson`,,,but,,
Do a search under golf umbrellas and also Parasols.There`s loads to go at! It`s true
What Jeff says,ya get loads.Off my own garden shed roof that’s 8 foot x 6 foot.A
200 liter water butt soon fills,it`s amazing.A parasol or umbrella directed into an
Individual container,at short notice,done relitavley quickly after half an hour or so.
Certain parts of the country your ppm would be 3 zero`s.3 ppm at the most and would
Stay constant at that,because of no contamination.Do a `search`,what do members think? Replies appreciated.

Lewis Doubtfire


L. Doubtfire
Window Cleaner

Jeff Brimble

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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2007, 06:05:49 pm »
Bluez, one/2  tanks/ butts on blocks. Then use a rain diveter from B&Q to send water into it via some basic aquarium sponge fiters.  The top pipe on the gutter  is to stop the water going through the tank by simply lifting it higher than the inlet with a couple of clothes pegs, the back pipe is just pushed on when I want to make water.





poleman

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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2007, 06:10:39 pm »
Ionic next Reach & Wash system (maybe)

http://www.aquamagic.us/generators.htm

Andy

Jon-scwindows

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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2007, 04:17:04 pm »
you could plumb all your house gutters into one and have 3 or 4 ibc's in the garden, and collect from your roof - then use gravity to prefilter the water before going into the ibcs. You could have atleast 2 ibcs 1 ontop of the other, the top one collects the rain water, then you connect the tap up to a di system, that uses gravity to DI the water before it runs down into the bottom ibc, so you wouldnt need a pump.

Jeff Brimble

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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2007, 04:24:59 pm »
Yep ! watch it or you will catch the rain virus  :)

Jeff Brimble

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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2007, 04:33:10 pm »
For those that cannot harvest rain I have just found out that Absolut vodka has tha same tds of 000.4..  :P hic so you dont need fancy calibration fluid just use good Vodka ! Gins close as well 000.9tds 
Tequila Sunrise anyone ?

Captain Scarlet

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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2007, 04:41:59 pm »
Some toothpastes have the ppm on the tubes so you can use that for calibration fluid, Luke
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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2007, 04:42:32 pm »
For those that cannot harvest rain I have just found out that Absolut vodka has tha same tds of 000.4..  :P hic so you dont need fancy calibration fluid just use good Vodka ! Gins close as well 000.9tds 
Tequila Sunrise anyone ?
Carling is 856 tds so dont use that

Ian W

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Re: Harvesting/ Catching / Rainwater Project
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2007, 05:19:19 pm »
Lewis, you said you are 'small fry'. I hope you don't mind me asking, but I just wondered how much wfp work you did?

I am small fry too, but trad only at the moment. I was looking at some of your ideas to get a basic wfp set up.

Thanks,
Ian
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