Within my stars there are 2 types of gradients, down-up and outer-inner. All of this can be done easily in illustrator but I would have had to re-produce it and I wanted to do something quick and by using styles I can achieve the same thing with the click of a button instead of 3 clicks of a button. I wasnt going to spend the rest of today making a perfect match to the ivesons logo! I understand vector images perfectly, but thanks for the advice. I was taught many of my photoshop and some illustrator skills by a leading industry artist. He would design holograms for big companies and have to determine the way light would bounce off different layers to create a final holographic image!!! Luke