[mark_roberts]

So I've being using the Bane machine this week with pleasing results.  Saved about 2 hours off a commercial job I've done before with the portable.  Save around 10-20 mins on a normal lounge carpet (I still pre-vac and agitate BTW), no noticeable time saving on a suite.

Just a few questions

How do you manage the hose esp taking it into the house without getting dirty.  Ive 150ft on 50ft lenghts and a 15ft lead hose (1 1/2 inch hose)?

Putting the hose back unto the reel can be time consuming esp the solution line.  Any tips.  Should I tie the two hoses together with cable ties?

For the solution line on the reel do you keep the quick connects together or disconnected?

Is it possible to get a pump with more flow and pressure to run off the pulley without getting an electric one as the flow is pretty poor.

Apart from that I did three jobs today with it and my back was very happy as was my wallet.  However the fourth job was in a terrace street and i had to use the portable.

thanks
Mark

[Mike Halliday]

If you don't use a hydraforce then you might as well tie them together with plastic ties.

The pump upgrade; I looked for ages to find a pump that could be exchanged for the bane pump, but the problem was the temp' of the water that would pass through it most pumps cannot withstand the 180' temp of the water. also you don't have a lot of power to play with, if you fit too big a pump the electric motor would be strained and start blowing the fuse.

but I found the answer!!!You can fit  a Hypro small twin plunger pump (5321c or 5322c)

This pump will;
1)handle the temp'

2)it will work at 1430rpm ( the rpm of the motor fitted in your bane).

3)its small enough to fit in the space where the bane pump sits ( although new holes will have to be drilled)

4) it will give 1000psi @ 2.2gl/min.

5)requires only 1hp to work

www.hypropumps.com/Pressure/Piston.cfm?bums=Pressure


of course you'll have to upgrade the fittings to handle the pressure

Mike
Ps i will be doing this exact change over in Jan for a friend , if you're not in a hurry it would be worth waiting till then so we can iron out any niggles

[Dynafoam]

Mark,

Glad to hear you are feeling some benefits from your investment.

When using a TM, I had dedicated 'indoor hose' - in a hose bag. This was carried into the house, never dragged outside. If you buy a couple of hose cuffs and a connector tube you can cut one of your 50' lengths in half (or to whatever length you feel appropriate) and with the 15' whip line that will give you 40' of hose that can be kept clean for indoor use. The remainder can either be reserved as additional indoor or outdoor hose.

The linking of solution and vac hoses is a matter of personal preference, but I found that it made them more cumbersome. however joining the solution hoses by the QCs makes them more manageable on the reel.

I would think that to get reasonable performance, you would require a separate electric pump, but never having had a Bane, this is speculation - Mike has played with this issue and can answer with more authority.

[mark_roberts]

Thanks lads

Mike

How much was it as theres no price on the site.  Does the pulley wheel off the Bane fit this pump or did you get a new one?

Did you fit a pressure adjuster as the one on the Bane is time consuming and fiddley to adjust?

Does it draw more amps at 1000psi as I'm thinking at this pressure I could use a hardfloor type tool (depending upon flow required)?

John

The Bane pump runs by pulley off the electric motor so unless the pump required more amps the Bane motor would be suffice?  yes or no?

thanks
Mark

[Mike Halliday]

£240 +vat from www.dualpumps.co.uk

yes you'll need to upgrade the pressure relielf valve ( £24 from dual pumps)

also the inlet hose will have to be increased to +3/4 inch so as to not hinder the inlet flow.

 don't take the pully off you can always keep the bane pump intact so can be used as a spare, new pullys cost £7 ( although I bought a 2 piece self-locking type that cost me £35 but required no drilling)

thats the only problem, to use the full 1000psi will increase the resistance so might strain the engine, if you go to the website you can download the actual chart that will give the psi/amp drawage ratio.

Mike

[Phil Marlor]

Mark,

Dirty hose pipes is one of the most annoying things about a TM. 

I think Hydramaster sell a hose wash, about £80.00, I need to know myself how it works and if I can use one.

Phil

[Dynafoam]

Mark,

A more powerful pump will use more of the available power output of the Banes'' motor, and this will increase with the pressure setting.

My concern was that the motor would be slowed to the extent that it would not only draw higher amperage but would adversely effect the blower performance and the operating temperature of the motor. The solution to this would be a self-powered pump.

However Mike seems to have found a workable solution utilising the native motor.

[Dynafoam]

Mike,

Can you please type a little slower ?

Whilst my gnarled old fingers are poking the keyboard, your post is already on the site. 

Be kind to the aged

[Michel Roberts]

John

Thats what I told My Misses!

Michel

[mark_roberts]

Mike

I've looked at the download and according to it the 5321is 1450rpm @300psi@ 6.8gpm@.6 HP.

At 1000psi its 1.2HP.

Is this the pump your talking about as 6.8gpm is a bit much or can this be adjusted to say 1.5gpm @ 300psi.

Anyone know how many amps in 1HP.

thanks
Mark

[Mike Halliday]

you're reading the wrong chart I have this pump fitted in my machine, I'm looking at the instruction manual as I'm typing. at 300psi /1450rpm=  1.6g/min requiring 0.6hp


you thicko!! I've just checked ( I have the charts in my documents) you are looking at the litres/min not gallons : :

Mike

[mark_roberts]

Once again the king of carpet cleaning is right.  I was reading the wrong chart (in my defence its not that well laid out).

Now o noble king have you worked out a way of adding chemical metering to the Bane system?

Mark

[Mike Halliday]

also the pump is'nt a problem if you start blowing fuses just adjust the vac relief on you Bane.

the power won't become a problem untill you start putting the motor under stress, you'll do this by using too high a psi and setting your vac relief too high

The chemical metering is a big problem, which still give me sleepless nights sorry hav'nt got an answer

Mike

[mark_roberts]

So lets say I wanted to, in the future, clean tile at 1000psi.  I would turn down the vac relief (creating less vac which isnt needed during hardfloor cleaning anyway) but not blowing fuses or burning out the motor?

thanks
Mark

[Mike Halliday]

If I was going to clean hard floor using a spinner type tool I'd forget about using the truckmount pump and buy a small pressure washer, then I'd hook it up to the tap  and just use the T/M vacuum system.

but yes decreasing the Hg of the blower will ease pressure on the electric motor