[D.Salkeld_Ltd]

Hi All,

Thought I'd set of a discussion about light poles.
This topic title is my Dilemma

I have a second hand fishing pole.

Cost me £70
Super light (compare to my Unger telepole )
Stiff (compare to my Unger telepole )

BUT:

Brittle (broke a section on Tue : )
Sections all over the place.

Now, because of the break on Tue, it's off the run till I get a new section at about £50 - £60. (Back to the UNGER BEAST )

I could (as Macc would say ) shell out £600 - £700 on a telescopic C/F Facelift.

But my question is; How long would it take the business to get back and make profit on that type of investment?

I also think a Facelift would be heavier than the fishing pole, possible twice the weight? (according to the information on Emporium Poles and Cleantech Webs)

I think I should:
Forget the Facelift Idea; far too expensive and I don't believe I would be any better of and make back the investment
Replace the broken section on my fishing pole.
Notice why I broke it (My own fault : :) and be more carefull.
For the future, consider an Emporium?

Come on mates.....what do you think?

Thanks
David

[Jeff Brimble]

Ergo lite Carbon fibre  X 8ft approx weight. Pole only

1 sect     1 lb                      .455 kg
2 sect     1 lb 2 oz       2 lb 2 oz                 .964 kg
3 sect     1 lb 5 oz       3 lb 7 oz                   1.56 kg     24ft
4 sect     1 lb 8 oz       4lb 15 oz                2.34 kg
5 sect     1 lb 11 oz     6 lb 10 oz                3kg
6 sect     1 lb 14 oz     8 lb 8 oz                3.86 kg
7 sect     2 lb      10 lb 8 oz                      4.72 kg
8 sect     2 lb 12 oz    13 lb 4 oz                6.01 kg
   
Facelift (inc pipe gooseneck and brush)
19ft 3 sect 2.24kg glassfibre
24ft 4 sect 2.84
29ft 5 sect 3.38
34ft 8 sect 4.12
34 6 sect  3.08 carbonfibre
44ft 8x6          5.07
54ft 6x8+2x4 7kg

[Ian_Giles]

Dave,
If you have snapped one of your pole sections, providing it isn't on the joint, they are very easy to repair, breaks tend to be fairly clean on them, they tend to snap quite literally in half
Lightly sand the broken end of the smaller section, smear with either super glue or an epoxy glue, slide the smaller section up through the larger one (do it quickly if you use surer glue!!) until it grips, twist the end to bed in whatever glue is used and you are done
Wrap some tape around the break (splinters) and if you've used superglue then crack straight on with your work, an epoxy glue needs 20 minutes or so to set.

You've highlighted the Facelift, but don't forget, there is also Gardinerpoles superlite 2 to consider, massively stronger than a converted fishing pole, and still cheaper and waaaaaayyyyy lighter than a facelift.

Ian

[Alex Gardiner]

I'd repair or replace the section! For £60 it's sorted.

[Nathanael Jones]

Wouldn't a superlight II from Alex, or an emporium pole, be a better (and Cheaper) option, especially if your used to using modular poles already? Much tougher than fishing poles too!

[Captain Scarlet]

If you'r worried about strength then go for the Super-lite 2, it is extremely strong. Have you seen the endurance videos? Luke

ps. I have my doubts as the the overall strength of the Emporium compared to the Super-lite. I didnt get the impression after holding it that it was as strong as the Super-lite at all

[Alex Wingrove]

get both, i have its great

[East coast window cleaning Services]

Thing is facelifts dont snap by far the best pole i ever had. takes abuse everyday never changed a clamp to this day.

[drakestar!]

ive got both & think the facelift are heavy when compared with the superlite but i think the facelift wins overall. sorry alex :

[Davew]

Alex won't be worried i'm sure.

[Paul Coleman]

Dave,
If you have snapped one of your pole sections, providing it isn't on the joint, they are very easy to repair, breaks tend to be fairly clean on them, they tend to snap quite literally in half
Lightly sand the broken end of the smaller section, smear with either super glue or an epoxy glue, slide the smaller section up through the larger one (do it quickly if you use surer glue!!) until it grips, twist the end to bed in whatever glue is used and you are done
Wrap some tape around the break (splinters) and if you've used superglue then crack straight on with your work, an epoxy glue needs 20 minutes or so to set.

You've highlighted the Facelift, but don't forget, there is also Gardinerpoles superlite 2 to consider, massively stronger than a converted fishing pole, and still cheaper and waaaaaayyyyy lighter than a facelift.

Ian

That Superlite 2 seems to be a great help to me so long as I only use it on certain jobs or certain windows.  It's fiddly setting up but that may be because I'm not using it all day, every day.  It's a bit easier now that I've started colour coding the sections with sticky tape (I used snooker ball values as my guide).

[drakestar!]

hope not. i know everyone who had a superlite 1 & now has a superlite2 says how strong it is compared but when you spend £600 odd on a pole you dont expect to be scared to use it as its sooo easy to break! facelifts never had this problem as they cleared the faults up before it went on sale rather than bring a new & improved one out just a matter of months later. no offense but i hope you know what i mean

[Alex Gardiner]

hope not. i know everyone who had a superlite 1 & now has a superlite2 says how strong it is compared but when you spend £600 odd on a pole you dont expect to be scared to use it as its sooo easy to break! facelifts never had this problem as they cleared the faults up before it went on sale rather than bring a new & improved one out just a matter of months later. no offense but i hope you know what i mean

The Super-Lite1 first went on sale in April 2006.  This type of pole had never been retailed before so there was naturally going to be a learning curve with this product.  As soon as it became apparent that this concept was worth pursuing, we commissioned the unique to us Super-Lite2.  The Super-Lite2 went on sale October 2007.  We actually took the decision to stop selling the Super-Lite1 even though they were still in demand in June 2007 because we knew we had a superior product on the way.  The 14 months that the Super-Lite1 was on sale provided many users with the easiest 14 months of water fed pole work they had ever had.  In recognition of our customers support with the Super-Lite1 project, we offered all Super-Lite1 owners a very special trade-up offer.

[macmac]

But my question is; How long would it take the business to get back and make profit on that type of investment  

If this is your main concern then i would suggest you take a completely different look at your business, IMO, thinking this way about such an important piece, infact, THE most important piece of your equipment leads me to believe you're gonna have a long hard slog of a working life :
As for the facelift, all the info is there for you, just look to try & find a post which contains reference to a facelift user who is anything but happy with his pole

If you're not desperate, a short wait for alex's new sl-x might be a good bet

tony

[NWH]

Keep on snapping them fishing poles mate,no work have to wait for a section at 50 notes a time.You do the math how many do you have to break before you wished you should have got a facelift in the first place,if i snapped a fishing pole badly and couldn`t work the amount of money i would have lost i could have got a facelift,forget the 25th of this month Alex is my father christmas and he`s coming at the end of january LOL.

[matt]

your sections all over the place is easy to sort out

ive superglued the first 2 sections together, then the next 2 and then the next 2

so i have 3 poles that are easy to put together

i then wrapped tape around them to you can see what sections goes into each

mine is now about 10 weeks old and its still really good, i have just had to move the wrap of tape that stops it going in too far, its moved about 1", thats just down to wear

[East coast window cleaning Services]

sounds like a blue peter project 

only kidding

[Alex Wingrove]

i love my facelift, i use it for most of my jobs, the ones i cant use it on are above 27ft or the access is too tight to use it downstairs, i like a smaller pole for downstairs,

its robust, light, strong, telescopic, and ive been using it for a 2 weeks now, and im a bit faster with it that i was with my other pole setup,

sure i paid alot of money for it, but it is a tool like a drill or a hammer, you cant expect something for nothing

anyways i have a fishing pole that i use for other work, and its great also, its so light and strong, sure i cant sit on it or stand on it, or hit it against a tree, but if i watch what im doing it keeps going,

after a while you get quicker at putting sections together, but i wouldn't want to work with any other pole at above 30ft that a modular fishing pole or superlite,

if your worried about breaking it just be careful and watch what your doing

[matt]

sounds like a blue peter project 

only kidding

to be honest, it looks ok ( i guess it wont be for every1 )

ive used grey and blue tape ( so fairly low key )

just looks like ive added a little tape to help with assembly

the lightness is really impressive, sure it wont last for ever, but it didnt cost the earth either

[East coast window cleaning Services]

if ur happy fella thats all that matters.