[david washbrook]

i'm running my new maxx disel on red and its costing me 60p per litre and using about 2.2ltr per hour so its about £1.40pre hour i'm happy enough with that

[John Gregory]

I've got a pro mount 20 , a full tank £20 seems to last about a week , in saying that I spend most of my day watching Jeremy kyle and loose women.
It will get a bit more expensive to run, I hope

john

[stains-away]

Plus if these transaction numpty backed %$^£%£@%$'s  start another blockade on saturday at least it another option, so far we have all vans full of diesel and 150 litres of petrol stashed away  so we should be good for the last week. at least.

I think you will find that the "numpties" you talk about are made up of joe public and people like yourself.

There will as always be more small hauliers at least trying to do something about the fuel costs that are pushing a lot of them to the wall, compared with competition from the big fleets that can work fuel price increases into their multi million pound contracts with the major multiples and the competition from foreign companies who fill up over the channel, don't pay road tax or have to abide by the stringent regulations faced by British companies a lot of these guys are being forced out of what is already a hard business to stay on top of.

Without haulage companies think what a position you would be in, supplies don't get to supermarkets without road transport, nor do clothes, white goods, furniture, or any other items that you take for granted, including the materials it took to build your home, if you ever fancy trying what it would be like without these people to deliver everything that modern society requires then stand in a forest somewhere minus food, shelter and clothing for a few days and see how you change your mind.

As these small firms are forced out the bigger companies will push up their prices and let the consumer pick up the bill for it so it does affect everyone, not just the "numpties" 

[PaulKing]

Captin Gatso and Transaction2007 ( sounds like a load of truckers in wigs and heels) who have said they will blockade refinerys starting saturday, are numpies even the road haulage asscoiation has distanced themselves.

Just anoher inconvienance and wonder how much support they will  have if people can't get fuel to vist family at Christmas. Think they have picked the wrong way to protest at the wrong time.

[gwrightson]

Shaun,
try a local farmer or plant operator,
I pay 45p per ltr from local farmer . they do have to keep some form of record of the usage of red deisel but providing you are not cleaning him out evry week,  I dont think he would be to bothered .
the accountabilty of red deisel they use is not to strict.
if you want you can get yourself a deisel tank and buy red direct, providing you meet the criteria , obviously you would have to purchase quite a few gallons initially. but if long term costs and savings are of importance , then goe down that road.
to me , not worth the hassle and outlay.

Geoff

[stevegunn]

£5/Hr!!!!!!

Ran my Prowler today for about 3 hours and used near enough a tank full of fuel, 6.5 ltrs when full.

Works out at about £7.00 or £2.33/hr, then again I may be way off the mark.

I thought they ran at a litre an hour?

Shaun

I think they vary I used JK's machine the other week and it is more economical than mine.I can fill mine and it will run for 4 jobs before I need to refill as long as its not a suite.Only use it at 3/4 revs

[The Great One]

Shaun,
try a local farmer or plant operator,
I pay 45p per ltr from local farmer . they do have to keep some form of record of the usage of red deisel but providing you are not cleaning him out evry week,  I dont think he would be to bothered .
the accountabilty of red deisel they use is not to strict.
if you want you can get yourself a deisel tank and buy red direct, providing you meet the criteria , obviously you would have to purchase quite a few gallons initially. but if long term costs and savings are of importance , then goe down that road.
to me , not worth the hassle and outlay.

Geoff

Guys, using red diesel in your car/van is illegal.

You are evading paying duty. It is not worth the risk to your business

Regards

Martin

[liahona]

Martin, I only glanced through the posts so I may have missed something.  Red is only a problem if used for the vehicle.  Using it for the truckmount is quite legal.

I plumbed my truckmount into the diesel talk directly as it saves having to carry an extra can which in itself is illegal.

When I am working I will use 50 or 60 quid of petrol for the truckmount in a day.  It burns about a gallon an hour and I have a 10 gallon talk that will just about last the day.  I do carry a can of fuel, also illegal, if I know I am going to use more than the 10 gallons.

If Martin you are correct in that someone is using red for their vehicle then you are quite correct, it is not worth the penalties.  You would have to back pay the taxes for as long as you had owned the vehicle.

As for the prices of fuel.  Who gives a monkies?  Theres nothing we can do about it and with the charges we "should" be making then it isnt a problem or shouldnt be to our profit margin.

I talk to quite a few people on here and also read some of the posts.  To those who give free rooms away or any amount of discount, dont, then you have your fuel payed for.  If you do offer these discounts or offers then you cant complain about the prices of fuel, chemicals or machines.

Best, Dave.

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

Hi,

I remember this was discussed a while back, but why dont you run a diesel TM on red?

Its perfectly legal and miles cheaper.  Better than chipfat or kerosene i would imagine  :.

Graeme
Access Cleaning Solutions

   

i run my truck mount on red only but the vans on cooking oil and it runs mint and as done for the last 40k

[stains-away]

Captin Gatso and Transaction2007 ( sounds like a load of truckers in wigs and heels) who have said they will blockade refinerys starting saturday, are numpies even the road haulage asscoiation has distanced themselves.

Just anoher inconvienance and wonder how much support they will  have if people can't get fuel to vist family at Christmas. Think they have picked the wrong way to protest at the wrong time.

The reason the RHA have distanced themselves from any action is that following the 2000 protests they wedged themselves very hard up the governments cheeks and they havent been out to draw breath since.

At the same time the men behind the original action recieved lump sums from the government (very healthy ones too) in order to keep them quite, Mr Jones was given a post with the Welsh congress, again to shut him up.

[gwrightson]

Martin,

think you may have misread my post, i was replying to shauns poat regarding costs of running t/m

Red deisel is perfectly legal.

derv , is what you must use in your vehicle   . Deisel engined road vehicle. a t/m or any other equipment machinary can use red, unless your t/m has wheels and you can drive it 

Geoff

[The Great One]

Hi

Sorry yes, I was meaning machinery, or vehicles for agriculture.

Any road vehicle is not allowed to be run on Red Deisel.

Regards

Martin

[PaulKing]

well it's zero hour they are supposed to be starting at 9.30 wonder what will happen?

Anyone else like me with a TM, got a few cans filled up? to make sure you can work the last week.

[Kinver_Clean]

It is not only our beloved leaders that are screwing us for 65p per liter fuel tax.
The petrol companies have rigged the market to completely eliminate the private filling stations.
They have done this by increasing the wholesale price of fuel so that the supermarkets can sell fuel cheaper than the independents can buy it.
They say that their forecourts are making a loss, but they extract and transport the oil and are the  refiners and wholesalers. These areas are making vast profits and subsidise the forecourts.
Now there is no competition they jack the ptices up.

Have a nice weekend.

Trevor

[Len Gribble]

I’m more concerned a about lack of filling stations, five have closed my local area and turned in total car sales, the nearest is always dry (small holding tanks) same goes for one of the biggest. So I have to drive round to find one thus creating what?

Regarding red

(Any vehicle carrying out non-agricultural operations must be taxed, run on white diesel) 

(The RYA has been fighting a long battle to extend the derogation that allowed UK leisure boaters to use lower duty red diesel.  After much lobbying, the British government agreed in October 2006 to support our case.  However, EU officials failed to accept the government's arguments and have decided that the derogation should end with effect from the end of December 2006.  There is now a grace period in force for the phasing out of red diesel in the UK. It will be legally usable in leisure craft until 01/11/08.)


Len

[The Great One]

Fuel has gone up 15p a litre this year alone